Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

Are there any reasons for an employee not to accept a promotion?

I have long strived to get promoted. Of course, I still haven't been promoted and am currently thinking of leaving HON. Nevermind all that, I wonder what are the reasons why someone would want to turn down a promotion? I heard that happened on a couple of occasions. There must be some serious reasons why someone would refuse a fatter paycheck.

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Take every promotion you can get. We’re here about six or seven years. You’re probably become plant manager. This is what happens at my location. I think the last guy was a Taco Bell manager.

You could work at Jimmy's Johnnys. Portable toilets and become a manager here. There’s no qualifications needed. Just hang out with the right people, and pretend like you know what you’re talking about.

Believe in your own bu-----t and everyone else will believe in too. You’re not gonna say anything negative otherwise I won’t get promoted. This really works well because we have no problems at Honeywell. Quality has increased no late deliveries. 100% satisfied customers.

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Post ID: @hlxq+1eQBM7rr

Do not accept a promotion to any people manager position. It’s a soul sucking experience that will leave you broken. Your health and sanity will thank you for refusing the position.

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Post ID: @4xol+1eQBM7rr

I have actually used number 7 .. twice.
Did not hurt my career at all.

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Post ID: @3osl+1eQBM7rr

Here are some handy replies in case you want to turn down a promotion:

  1. I'm a card carrying socialist- how dare you, you evil capitalist!
  2. Knowing my inability to be fiscally responsible, I'll just blow it on (dr-gs, women, men, wh----y- pick your bane) which will ruin my life.
  3. You guys know the IRS will just take it all!
  4. I've determined that the Peter Principle applies in this case.
  5. My spouse will just spend it for me, and I know THAT will make me miserable.
  6. I really care about you, boss- and since I know I will fail miserably, I suggest you give the promotion to Dufus over there.
  7. It'll be too hard to run my side business during work hours with all this increased responsibility.
  8. There is no good reason to turn this down. So, since I AM turning it down, it should really tell you something :)

You're welcome...

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Post ID: @2zao+1eQBM7rr

Depends on whether it's a promo in the same career path, a new career path, or new team. No reason to turn down a promo if it's the same role/team but just better title and pay. Otherwise, new role can come with different responsibilities, WLB, and many pros/cons. Sometimes, you have to relocate to take a promo.

Also, no reason to stop looking for another job even if you take a promo. It doesn't matter how high you climb the ladder on a sinking ship, you're still just a worker on a sinking ship.

Personally turned down director role and left the company instead. Always good to have alternative options.

Honeywell is a sinking ship. No matter how high you climb on the ladder, you're still on the ladder that is going down with the ship.

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Post ID: @2lhn+1eQBM7rr

I would never accept a promotion at HON if I have a choice. Specially if you are band 4 or above, almost certain you will report to 1-2 psychopaths in leadership who will make your life miserable.

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Post ID: @1ejf+1eQBM7rr

On the other hand I have seen people turn down the promotion but still end up with the responsibilities.

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Post ID: @1thf+1eQBM7rr

This is not uncommon for Honeywell to give you a promotion without a raise. If you are in your 50s, please careful on the promotion to management. It may be their intention to get rid of you soon after the promotion.

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Post ID: @1gvc+1eQBM7rr

Honeywell once gave me a promotion without a raise.

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Post ID: @1lgr+1eQBM7rr

From personal experience, I turned down a Sr director role a few years ago because I didn't want to work for the 2 levels of leaders within the group. They both were very disconnected and had no vision to where the group was going.....looking back I made the right decision. Oh and BTW, it's called a promotion, but don't get your hopes up for a pile of money because it won't happen. I was layed off at the beginning of the pandemic and that was 4 years or so after I rejected the role. I think it impacted my growth and I'm glad it it did because I don't have to go to work there anymore. I agree DA and MM have taken this place down the tubes culturally and its all by design. The end game is sell off pieces after closures and consolidations because they have no clue how to manage the beast it has become. That's why software sounds so appealing right.......no factories to manage. The miscalculation DA and MM have made is huge, they actually think someone out there wants to buy pieces of this broken business. In the meantime, move everything to Mexico and put everything in a few hubs and just maybe there is a su---r out there.

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Post ID: @1yzo+1eQBM7rr

These promotions are for people who have no conscience. The way they train people. Definitely unethical. I wish you good luck.

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Post ID: @1irs+1eQBM7rr

Isc is a soul trap. The people who move up become dictators who get results through fear and intimidation. Leadership by shouting is a core value taught to everyone MM mentors. If you reach middle management in ISC you will get special projects which almost always involve outsourcing jobs and uprooting families. MM made a career of doing just that. All the while you will know in your heart that the products will be delivered slower, with lower quality, and make the end custoner less safe because of your overtime and weekends spent doing footprint reductions.
I have 38 years in honeywell and i know everyone in aerospace, mechanical, electronic, connected, hts.. i have seen good people turnover and over as they took the job of site leader. Doesnt happen over night... takes coaching from MM and they line up. Men are worse than women by observation. Torsten hasnt managed to change the culture at all. You never hear from him.. maybe a town hall once in a while. Absent.

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@1aqf+1eQBM7r

Why ISC? Also, the corporate ISC or a one in SBG?

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Post ID: @1tmb+1eQBM7rr

Manager.
Any job in ISC.
Any "Promotion" that removes overtime elligibility without changing job description.

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Post ID: @1aqf+1eQBM7rr

Sometimes they will promote you with the intent to lay you off. If they lay you off in your current position, they will not be able to replace you for that position you are currently in. Yes, sometimes it is a set up. Middle managers are the first to get laid off in the chain because they are more dispensable. But of course they will give you the toxic treatment first to give you the opportunity to quit.

Much easier to budget on a smaller paycheck than try to shoot for the bigger paycheck. After taxes, the increase is not that much anyways.

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Post ID: @lgx+1eQBM7rr

Yes. The #1 reason not to take a promotion is the position is in management. You'll be setup for failure from day one at this company. The hours, stress, and mental exhaustion will run you ragged. My best advice is pursue the job you will love and enjoy doing everyday, forget about the money or job title. I took a demotion out of management after learning the hard way. I've never been happier and wouldn't go back into management for double the pay.

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Post ID: @wxs+1eQBM7rr

If you go from hourly to salary and work 60 hrs a week. Big pay reduction

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Post ID: @ebo+1eQBM7rr

It depends on the specific promotion and the responsibilities of the new position. If the promotion is, say, from a lead engineer to a manager, that's actually a significant move away from hard-core engineering work and into people management and reporting to upper management. I had some regrets about stepping out of a technical manager position some years ago, but felt better about it when I saw the term "technical" removed figuratively and literally from that position about 5 years ago. However, if it's a promotion in place which allows you to continue doing what you like but with increased responsibility and authority, that's a promotion I would accept in a heartbeat.

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