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PIP Question

What happens if you get PIPed for a second time?

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@2pss+1eVklymy Hard to believe a RE and a three year employee are in the same assessment category. I guess it could happen but I’ve yet to see that…

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Post ID: @3hdx+1eVklymy

At this point, after the last two years, the PIP has exactly nothing to do with performance.

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Post ID: @2xbx+1eVklymy

OK - so to be PIP'd, you need to be ranked in the NSI group. If you survive the PIP, this means that you and your supervisor managed to convince management and HR that you will be in the "Good" rank group next time. If you find yourself in the NSI group within the next 5 years, then you will be dismissed. No "PIP", no second chances. I was told this by my manager in July 2020. It's a more ruthless approach to the policy they had before COVID, which was to put a "second offender" onto the "Goals and Objectives" program before dismissal. Either way, the end game was to get you out of the company.

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Post ID: @2qey+1eVklymy

Not everyone that is PIP’d does a poor job.

I have seen an RE employee PIPd while a 3 year employee was moved to the top of the rank list even though that 3 year employee did not know Jack Sh-t, and would not have been able to recognize Jack Sh-t even if Jack Sh-t tapped him on the shoulder and introduced himself.

The system is rigged and age discrimination is prevalent.

On the other side of the coin, I saw a Supervisor point out in a meeting that a certain “chosen” employee reporting to him was ranked wrongly and could not perform basic duties. That Supervisor was dropped significantly in his own ranking for not representing a chosen high flier and for not falsely trying to elevate her in a ranking meeting.

Basically a Supervisor can get in big trouble for explaining that an RE employee outperformed a high potential kid.

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Post ID: @2pss+1eVklymy

If an employee is between 55 and 60, staying after 1 or 2 PIPs can be just due to the 5% yearly penalty reduction on the retirement lump sum.

The 5% penalty reduction is around $150k per year to the lump sum. It would be very difficult to find a job that pays $150k above their current EM salary.

Some people that are PIP’d are very good at their jobs but are either not good at politics or are a threat to their boss. Some are just PIP’d due to age discrimination.

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Post ID: @2wok+1eVklymy

I've have been PIPPED (and survived) twice. What are the odds that I can PIPPED a third time this year? How much say does your direct manager have? I feel like I am cannon fodder going going into this years ranking even though I have been doing well. If you are terminated as a result of an additional PIP when would you find out? Immediately after t he ranking meeting or months later when they 'release the results'?

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Post ID: @2bvk+1eVklymy

Initially, it was 2 times and then you’re gone. Now it is 3 yes in 5 years. Unless you are near retirement eligible.

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Post ID: @2nbd+1eVklymy

I’m NRE and was PIPed last year and fully expect to be PIPed again. Retiring mid-year 2023 and don’t really give a sh-t. Good luck getting anything truly productive out of me the next year and a half. FUEM

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Post ID: @2kua+1eVklymy

In line with what posts have mentioned, the only possible reason to stay after just one PIP, even more so if you’re threatened by a second PIP, is if you’re just about to become RE, so you’re just trying to get your amputated 75% pension and go somewhere else.
For a younger person to hang on after a PIP and be under the threat of a second… well, in that case maybe the PIP is deserved, because it shows complete blindness to how this company operates.

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Post ID: @1gdg+1eVklymy

Sticking around to see if you get PIPed again is a very personal choice. A lot depends on if NRE and hence protected until 55 (worth staying); < 5 to 10 years of service and in an area with high demand for your skills outside EM (go) or with a skill set like geoscience where there are still very few jobs so keeping skills up and a pay check for as long as possible while actively searching for new job (stay).

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Post ID: @1jyg+1eVklymy

Answer to getting PIPed 2+ times: Prayer Is Powerful

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Post ID: @1qga+1eVklymy

I don’t understand why would anyone wait to get PIP’d for a second time. At this point, the company clearly doesn’t care about you and your career and CL potential have been destroyed. There is no comeback strongly after being PIP’d at XOM since the concept of the forced ranking system doesn’t allow that to happen without a miracle. If you want to wait until you are 55 with this company and get forced to retire early instead of being recognised for your long service, it’s also your choice but it will be guaranteed that you will be significantly underpaid relative to industry when that time comes. The choice is yours!!!

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Post ID: @1mky+1eVklymy

In Europe it is not so easy to let the employee go even though with 2 PIP. The unions are pretty strong and company will pay a big price for unfair dismissal. Even if company wants to fire employees, they have to pay compensation based on the service year.

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Post ID: @1zzp+1eVklymy

Everyone knows your status. Why would you want to walk around with your tail between your legs all the time and work under eroding credibility, assignments, respect? The Company hates you.

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Post ID: @1adb+1eVklymy

HR has maps and lists of where they want the staffing to go The layoffs last year immediately executed the undisputed low hanging fruit on their lists, I.e " behavioural
problems", poor CL fit for position and our favorite, old white RE men. If you were PIPed once, the handwriting is already on the wall. Read it. They're letting you hang around a bit, but, deciding when to pull the trigger. PIP twice?!! C' mon, Thats a whack to the head with a 2x4. Are you really that desperate? GTFO and find your place in the sun.

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Post ID: @1wcm+1eVklymy

PIPed twice means you will be po0ped on real soon

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Post ID: @1rco+1eVklymy

2 times within the first 5 years is also automatic PIL.

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Post ID: @bly+1eVklymy

3 times within 5 years and you are done.

2 times in a row does not.

All documented on HR site.

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Post ID: @uie+1eVklymy

lol anyone who is PIPed the second time and still not finding another job is a true loser and EM takes goat 🐐
Make them a VP. They deserve it.

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Post ID: @kzs+1eVklymy

It was communicated that NSI two years in a row is automatic termination.

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Post ID: @sxg+1eVklymy

you take the money and find a job that appreciates you

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Post ID: @rzl+1eVklymy

I know of someone who has been PIPed twice and survived both times. I’m not sure if there’s a limit, but I heard something like 3 times in 5 years or something, but don’t quote me on that.

As a result of the first PIP, no other group really wants to touch them, so opportunities immediately become a problem. I’m sure the 2nd PIP will just make things worse.

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