Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

Which department is the worst to work in?

I absolutely agree that at HW it all depends on the position and department in which the person works. However, if someone asked me which department here is the worst and which is the best to work in, I wouldn't know what to say. What do you think?

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Looks like connected industrial and HBT win the award if the worst place to be in…. I bet those in power will get promoted for their environment….and morale all the way to the uSHIT cloud

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Post ID: @emdz+1eXFn45X

Hmm if this is that one…not a direct abuser like directly telling you some insults, but more covert… sneaky…make people feel bad, small and like cr-p. Devious mind games and spinning moral compass.
I prefer nasty in our face not cover cr-p. We are back to morale going into the gutter. Team is waiting for the $ then we’ll bail.

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Post ID: @dlpp+1eXFn45X

Connected industrial. We have a CTO that is very I’ll fitted for where connected should be going. More focused on his own politics and games. Guy needs to go sink sone airline tickets place

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Post ID: @dvdu+1eXFn45X

Aero -- engines. Was a terrific company years ago. Now it is a dysfunctional swamp.

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Post ID: @9hka+1eXFn45X

Atlanta won’t care about those unless they are from a specific geo location.

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Post ID: @8tns+1eXFn45X

Atlanta won’t care about those unless they are from a specific geo location.

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Post ID: @8iya+1eXFn45X

In Atlanta Ifor some reason they don't value the opinions of fellows and, top level engineers. It's like what they say doesn't matter. So we keep doing crazy things

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Post ID: @5toz+1eXFn45X

IT sucks. IT should be dissolved and everything moved to vendors.

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Post ID: @5drb+1eXFn45X

Connected industrial. Clusters-f---k
It's bizarre we have no real direction but we can spin like nobody else. we don't even understand those products it's like moving target galore. Benefit is we can just pick the tech and go on. No need for sale.

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Post ID: @5ivw+1eXFn45X

PMT—bunch of yahoos’ who think that the world needs their innovative products but unaware of the industry needs. I think that AM (as already being separated from PMT) will be divested in 2-3 years.

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Post ID: @4rfx+1eXFn45X

Across the board... “Product owners” are like wanabee engineers/ fellows/ architects / developers etc... Basically know it all windmills...

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Post ID: @4otg+1eXFn45X

SPS is a cluster as well. Worst place I've ever worked. The abuse is simply less overt than it is at Aero.

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Post ID: @2qvo+1eXFn45X

I was a part of Aero, military customer service, ISC, program management (ISC MILITARY programs). All leadership was always putting us down so they looked better. Never positive towards our efforts and always wanted more. Managers were/are inept and scared to death.

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Post ID: @2pqi+1eXFn45X

SPS is ok in general the only issues are with software. They believe they are a startup! So money...is spraying everyone there. But they can't produce anything real just “startup talk”
How many startup make it? 2%?
So.... A group of people that are sucking money like a high powered vacuum

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Post ID: @2tcd+1eXFn45X

From the sounds of it, seems like all departments aren't healthy. SPS, PMT weren't mentioned.

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Post ID: @2vtn+1eXFn45X

Impossible to say which department.

Honeywell reorganizes so frequently that any rotten apple has been thoroughly stirred into the Lukewarm applesauce that is the conglomerate today. I have been through SIX major reorganizations and two “job title redesignations” (aka mass demotion including pay cuts). I lost count of furlough weeks and layoffs back in the 90s maybe when space station was outsourced to Russia and everybody was hoping for a job pushing brooms..

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Post ID: @2nns+1eXFn45X

Aerospace as a cult

As far as I could see and understand, this division is/was a cult and its workers unaware cult members. I am not a part of it today, not sure if they have the same methods, as I’ve resigned years ago, but I’m identifying some of their manipulative ways I’ve experienced. The game is/was being played on a psychological level and the ‘golden cuffs’ as many call them are related to yes, remuneration, but mostly subtle mental entrapment. Since corporations as a whole can be defined as soulless machines, we may refer to this as psychological engineering. Some methods:

  1. instilling pride in the subject and thereby covertly inviting them to enthusiastically and quickly assume a new identity. The one dictated solely by the corporation, of course. Rewards, praises, recognition, internal awards, company events with name callings and certificate-handing, good and excellent reviews, all kinds of miscellaneous lip service coming from leaders…Costs them nothing, but instills great enthusiasm, eagerness and pride in the worker. The new assumed pride puffs the subject and gives them an entirely new sense of self. He/she is now proud to be a part of the machine. He/she now identifies with the greatness. And to keep the praise coming, he/she will forsake other aspects of their life to give it all to the company (read unpaid OT, extra work, emotional attachment and a sense of working for their own selves, rather than for an entirely different entity).
  2. Calling you a family member, thereby suggesting the idea of genealogical ties, and pushing a fake, deeper entrenchment on a psychological level. When I started in Honeywell, one of the aerospace VPs came to me and said: ‘You’re family now. We’re all family here and you’re our new family member’. Coming from an abusive, violent household myself, that took a whole new life turn for me. Here I was, with another chance at a new family that would finally love and respect me! Result: I’d bend over backwards to make the ever increasing targets, earn more recognition and every word of praise from the leader was sweet music to my ears. When targets started getting unachievable, I blamed myself and not the decision makers, crawling into a state of depression and guilt. Understand: the real family unit is based on UNCONDITIONAL love and support between members. A real sense of belonging should not be conditioned by how much money you produce YoY or QoQ for your family members.
  3. Manipulating the subject into forsaking his/her human identity to assume a new, corporate identity. Playing the political game, lying, gossiping, backstabbing to achieve the PIP imposed target or shift the blame for under achievement on engineered targets, crawling backs for a promotion, manipulating others for career advancement…one’s neighbor suddenly becomes one’s enemy in this corporate world. Treat others as you’d like others to treat you becomes Treat others in a way that proves your loyalty to your corporate masters. Dehumanization to become a corporate drone.
  4. You are given idols to look up to and emulate. Never ending rows of VPs and Ps are the example of what you, one day will be able to achieve with your career. And just like that, your corporate idols are born and promotion becomes the magic buzz world. They are the image paraded in front of you while you continuously and tirelessly run on your little hamster wheel which you call a career. If communists have personality cults, corporations have even stronger cults based on corporate roles and titles. Beware of corporate idolatry, it creeps up on you and before you know it, your dignity is out the door!

Finally, the trick of these methods is that they absolutely cost nothing, yet they are extremely strong at creating very dedicated workers who assume strong corporate identities. When you are let down or let go, and it hurts so much, understand why.
A word for those who describe what’s happening in the aero division as ‘evil’, ‘sadistic’ or ‘diabolical’: perhaps it’s greed, perhaps it’s manipulation, perhaps it’s bad leadership or perhaps it’s Ephesians 2:2.

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Post ID: @1wmb+1eXFn45X

HBT tech leadership is amazingly bad and out of touch with reality. It's like we're in the twilight zone, but the episode never ends.

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Post ID: @1xba+1eXFn45X

I’d stay away from any role that supports the T55 growth programs. Seems like most folks I talk to on those efforts are stressed out.

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Post ID: @1lzj+1eXFn45X

connected industrial software. It's now like a spin box of political pyramid making attempts.
Smile but try to get to another area.
“New” VP leader is incompetent
At least his advice of using internet copies of cdc card in case you did not want to take the weird vaccine was a good decision. The only one actually.

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Post ID: @1zwi+1eXFn45X

I got one, any department that rolls upto to MM in aero.

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Post ID: @1fya+1eXFn45X

ISC is the worst place to be. Not only are the holidays all messed up, the people running the show woulnd't know good practice and great people if they were bit in the aft end by either or both.

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Post ID: @1uuq+1eXFn45X

I concur with many: HBT is a snake pit, connected software is the same.
In both they use top engineers and fellow to attempt to expand their dominion, driving them insane. Can't trust those anymore. As for Richmond it's especially drowing politics.

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Post ID: @1qpk+1eXFn45X

All the current “connected” CTOs... one wonder if they get bonuses with sinking the company so they can bring their Brahman caste buds from their village.
Horrible to work for them.

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Post ID: @1rgq+1eXFn45X

HBT - all related to leadership not valuing anything from the field because they all know better. They trip over one another with each trying to justify their existence. It’s shameful that those closest to our client facing employees and our clients are not valued. I don’t know if this is intentional Or just the product of executive leadership at the very top not knowing what they have created.

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Post ID: @1oaw+1eXFn45X

Aero ISC followed by what remains of customer product support. Comes down to who you want to hold the club.

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Post ID: @tec+1eXFn45X

Aero - engineering - dead products and diminishing lines - all work offshored to India where they can take credit for other peoples work and not create one single product. It, too, is a joke of the industry.

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Post ID: @iri+1eXFn45X

Hbt - commercial security - legacy product portfolio. A joke in the industry

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