Thread regarding Norfolk Southern Corp. layoffs

Bargaining Update: National Bargaining at Impasse, BMWED/SMART Coalition Calls for P.E.B.

Escalating quickly now. The NMB just got involved and already the calls for a Presidential Emergency Board have started.

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We all have Covid let’s walk ogf

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Post ID: @egug+1f6ecXOd

This is just to funny for me to pass up.

"Have some ball and stand up! I did and told them to shove after 23 years."

Signed....Grow a pair 🤦‍♂️

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Post ID: @9njf+1f6ecXOd

Railroaders are pa----s, don't hold a candle to truckers or uaw. They're too busy backstabbing each other. Have some ball and stand up! I did and told them to shove after 23 years.

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Post ID: @9bpg+1f6ecXOd

Imagine if all the railroad workers joined the truckers and went out.

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Post ID: @9ezu+1f6ecXOd

Even better, lets realize that we have many, many options besides just doing nothing and making criminals out of ourselves by striking illegally. Your union wants you to do nothing (except pay dues) and leave it all up to them, but this is a political process that is usually determined by an Emergency Board. If you love or hate a politician or if you voted for or against a politician doesn't matter. Once they are in office, they are the ones who you have to work with. There are lots of ways to legally lobby a politician to get the results you want. A firmly, yet politely worded hand written letter is a good place to start (not finish). Now is the time to get the right people on the Emergency Board. Don't just hope that Bye Den will pick a good one, you have to be active in the process and tell him who to put on the board.

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Post ID: @9xjh+1f6ecXOd

Yes. Let’s sit on our hands and do nothing that’s has worked so well in the past.

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Post ID: @8llf+1f6ecXOd

11359 air traffic controllers will attest that the Federal Government does indeed look down on illegal strikes, but that was Ray G-n era. Bye Den hasn't made any comments on the subject, but laws that can be broken without repercussions aren't laws, they are just suggestions. If you want to strike without becoming a criminal, consider a nice career with Kellogg or Amazon?

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Post ID: @7mys+1f6ecXOd

IF we strike we will be called "seditionists" by Biden and be put in jail. It will be billed as treason and he will say we are racists and misogynists, homophobes. Just like Justin and the Truckers......

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Post ID: @7tsr+1f6ecXOd

I know we all at least have ONE vacation day. Let's plan a date and take it. Get fired for a vacation day? I think not. But let's see the spineless down vote this lol.

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Post ID: @5ijv+1f6ecXOd

I will add that a lot of the local and general chairmen are onboard and support a strike and have made that known to international. I hope that anyone that is currently in office with international and the CBT is voted out of office next convention. They have proven their uselessness,

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Post ID: @5azc+1f6ecXOd

that's called wildcatting and is illegal

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Post ID: @5jwu+1f6ecXOd

Can’t “legally” strike ? And what happens if we ALL decide to do it? Look at these brave truckers in Canada who have had a belly full of being told what they can and can not do ! Now their cause is spreading world wide. The carrier “has the right, we can’t do this or that”. Blah blah blah. Had enough yet ??

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Post ID: @5twc+1f6ecXOd

The Rail Labor Act lays out a general timeline for how this plays out. If the provisions of the Rail Labor Act become exhausted, then the US Congress has the authority to either allow railroad unions to strike or to bring one side or the other to heel and impose a contract. Now that the National Mediation Board is in play they will have a large amount of say in the pace, but no party can delay the process indefinitely.

Typically once the NMB is brought into the process contracts are finalized within 6-12 months, however it becomes a political matter so it can drag on a bit longer if its seen as politically expedient to delay the process. In the current dynamic with the supply chain issues, inflation, need for some good PR going into midterm elections, near unilateral control of the process by one party...its entirely possible that it might be expedited in favor of the unions, but you can only guess what politicians will do and many politicians have a hand it.

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Post ID: @5thd+1f6ecXOd

Does anyone honestly think they'll sign something? I doubt it. If they do sign something, it will likely end in some type of concessions in the form of layoffs, single man trains and even something like more health care costs. They know we can't strike, so it doesn't matter an ounce to them how long they drag this out

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Post ID: @4vur+1f6ecXOd

Forget it all!!! It’s all crashing and burning! Everything the new super variant aids is coming and everyone will succumb to
It!
Anonymous my bu-t

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Post ID: @4mfg+1f6ecXOd

I have no hope it will be anything good. Company still in short term gain mode. They have lost all perspective on the long term goal of a railroad.

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Post ID: @3xkf+1f6ecXOd

By the sounds of it so far I’d say any body that went back after layoff probably are going to regret it pretty soon.

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Post ID: @2rzd+1f6ecXOd

The carrier is only concerned with the value of your labor, the rate of inflation is just barely a blip of a talking point in the broader equation. Figure $20/hr jobs are a dime a dozen for anybody with any work ethic at all. The carrier doesn't look at inflation, they look at "Where else you gonna go?". If you are still here at this point, odds are you aren't going anywhere. You can't legally strike. Why worry about inflation?

This site loves to stifle/delete/block political "chat", but the NMB, the PEB, the WH and congress are part of the process at this point. It will be interesting to see what the admins do about it.

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Post ID: @2kcl+1f6ecXOd

For pay increases to even keep pace with inflation will require wage percentage increases that far exceed anything negotiated in past contracts. On top of that, there are still 3 more years of a current administration that seemingly can not keep a handle on runaway costs across all sectors of the economy. How do you negotiate something 3 years going forward in that kind of economic environment ? This contract will be very interesting to watch indeed.

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Post ID: @2bfc+1f6ecXOd

The Coordinated Bargaining Coalition is calling for 6% raise in 2020, 10% raise in 2021, 6% raise in 2022, 6% raise in 2023, 8% raise in 2024 and 4% raise in 2025. The Carriers wont budge. Its not good. Some other adjective would be far more appropriate.

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Post ID: @2cbw+1f6ecXOd

A good contract would be 10 to 12 percent with no health insurance increase for the first year in addition to some type of COVID bonus, then 3 percent the following years until it expires. Oopss..Oops... just woke up... sorry

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Post ID: @2ifi+1f6ecXOd

If you get a $5/hr raise and the cost of living doubles then you still got a $5/hr raise. Your purchasing power doesn’t define the amount of your raise.

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Post ID: @1xii+1f6ecXOd

Trivia question : If a new contract is negotiated favorably compared to past favorable contracts, i.e. 4 percent increase for every year in the new contract, but the cost of living is increases 6% for each of those years, how much of a raise are we getting ?

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Post ID: @1tnu+1f6ecXOd

This will be by far the worst contract ever. Doesn't matter which political party is in charge. The greed party is the one in control. If you can leave, then do so for your own good. Everything from pay, insurance attendance is going to get worse.

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Post ID: @1emb+1f6ecXOd

We will soon have to pay to work there

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Post ID: @1hna+1f6ecXOd

The Big O wasn't president when the last round was being finalized in 2017...unless you are referring to Big Orange guy. The unions didn't go to the NMB that year. With the NMB, Congress and the WH all being anti-union in 2017 there would have been no point. The 2010-2014 contract was under the big O and that was where the unions got favorable treatment on health insurance (compared to most of the nation).

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Post ID: @1hra+1f6ecXOd

Almost nobody thinks the union will get everything it wants just because the NMB, the PEB, and Congress are all majority Demos. Even if the Unions do get everything they want there would still be a faction of railroaders claiming it isn't good enough and they should have fought harder. A "good" contract isn't being negotiated, since nobody can even agree what "good" is. We do know that wage increases are higher when union endorsed politicians are in control. Which they are, across the playing field this go around. Even the big O didn't have majorities in Congress when the last round was being finalized in 2017.

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Post ID: @1jaq+1f6ecXOd

It is s to some people. Current “elected”group has turned everything he touches to sh-t. But people still swear he can get us a good contract. Yeah right!

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Post ID: @pfw+1f6ecXOd

LOL so this time since Bo JIDEn is in charge we will get a good contract?? LOL so why did contracts suck under Obummer too? They get worse EVERY time no matter who's in there. Our unions get worse as well. Welcome to class One greed folks. It's not a political thing.

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Post ID: @kdu+1f6ecXOd

Old news. Did you just wake up and crawl out of the welfare room. Oh locomotive bathroom.

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Post ID: @auz+1f6ecXOd

we want soup and we want it now

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