Good luck at the pump ⛽!
With my 24-Month, 7 cents per KW fixed contract, I still cruise around town for about $38 bucks a month.
Good luck 🤞
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Take the Teslas out of the picture. An avalanche of EVs are coming. Perhaps better and cheaper.
The new F-150 Lightning will cost you $32,294 New (after the $7500 Tax Credit). 230M Range. Full of torque.
Don’t compare apples to caviar, compare apples to apples. A Tesla model 3 is comparable to a small Ford, Toyota, Honda, etc. in terms of size, cargo capacity and death trap potential. The Tesla groupies like to compare a model 3 or Y to a Tahoe or F150 - they are nowhere comparable. You could argue that a Tesla is not equivalent to a small gas car because the small gas car has unlimited range after a 5 minute refuel, where a Tesla has to be parked overnight after (at best) 300 miles, however, the model 3 or Y is closest in comparison to a small gas car. Look at the initial cost of both, figure depreciation, operating cost, maintenance, and insurance and the Tesla is a big loser. Yes, your operating costs are lower, but you are paying up front for that and you are paying way more than it is worth. You are spending a dollar to save a dime! Do the comparison of a model S to a Camry, accord, or impala/Malibu and your losses with the Tesla are even higher. The reason a Tesla is a career ending move at XOM, CVX, Shell, or any other company (except of course Tesla) is because you don’t comprehend basic economics.
You don’t even break even with a model 3 or Y until gas increases (and stays) to $17/gallon AND the road tax is based on gas not based on miles driven. Yes, Brandon and the gang is trying to get gas to $15-20/gallon, but many of them will be voted out this year, the rest will be voted out in 2024.
Did you know that the first cars were battery powered? Yes, they weren’t practical then and still are not practical. Just because you can do something it doesn’t mean it is the right, best, or economical thing to do. Did you know that the materials to make battery cars were mined using fossil fueled vehicles? Did you know that the power to charge battery cars comes mostly from fossil fuel plants?
The person posting made-up numbers below is pretty far off. Go to Kelley Blue Book and look up the 5 year cost to own for a variety of vehicles. You'll find a lot of the cars in the campus parking garages are higher than EVs. Other sites do similar calculations - Edmunds, Consumer Reports, etc.
If electric vehicles are so superior, why do they require subsidies?
I spend less than $15 per month in my gas powered car. Been working from home for almost two months now. Previously I was spending $25 per month.
Many people on this thread are not very smart and can't even do math (going back to school might help, but I doubt it).
I spend no more than $40 per month and drive an average of 75 miles per day. I charge every day and have a full tank every morning.
You are spending about $800 in gas per month. This is where your intellect is not helping. Do the math.
Also, I do not spend on oil changes, belts, transmission, etc. I been driving it for a long time and nothing has broken.
At the end of the day, it is your money. I know about your fake commitments. It actually comes from your insecurities of not being Piped or being fired. Be free! Eradicate your mental slavery!
I would buy an electric truck if they put a small turbo diesel generator in it.
These truck companies make big V8 or twin turbo V6 with tiny hybrid motors and insignificant batteries. Not good enough.
The logical step is huge electric batteries with 200 mile range with a very small (preferably diesel) generator as backup.
Cadillac had a good idea with their electric car that had an 800 cc generator for when battery depleted.
Didn’t I warn you about those smug emissions? It looks like it’s getting worse.
Taking into account all the costs (depreciation, insurance, power cost, pro-rated battery replacement vs. depreciation, insurance, gas and maintenance), a Tesla costs about 3x as much per mile as a similar gas powered car. Figure it out yourself. Can’t compare a Tesla to a Tahoe. And you’re correct, a Tesla is only for going around town. To go further, you need to rent or buy a gas powered car. The reason a Tesla is a career ki---r at ExxonMobil is because you don’t understand basic economics. We don’t want you handling ExxonMobil’s money if you aren’t smart enough to handle your own.
You are not considering the total cost of a Tesla 3 or Y. First, you can’t compare a 3 or Y to a F150, Silverado, Ram, or Impala. The 3 or Y is equivalent to a small Ford Fiesta, Toyota, Nissan, Kia, etc.
The cost per mile of the Tesla is about $1.20 vs. $0.46 per mile for the equivalent gas powered car when the total costs are considered.
Tesla cost is about $56K vs $18k for the others. Assuming the Tesla has a range of 300 miles (likely only get this in the first year if you drive with no a/c or heat, no lights, no radio, and accelerate slowly), you’ll spend about $340/yr in electricity based on 12k miles/yr. the gas car costs about $800 for 12k miles.
After 3 years, both cars lose about 1/2 their value so the Tesla loses $9,333/yr vs $3,000 for the ICE.
Maintenance for the ICE about $540/yr.
Tesla battery is good (best case) for 8 years at a cost of $8k, so $1,000/yr.
Insurance is >3x higher for the Tesla.
Add all the costs and the Tesla is $14,400/yr vs $5,540 for the ICE. Based on 12k miles/yr means $1.20/mile for the Tesla vs $0.46/mile for equivalent ICE.
This doesn’t include the cost of a rental ICE vehicle or second ICE vehicle if the Tesla owner decides to travel more than 150 miles from home. Nor does it take into account the reduction in range after 1 year of the Tesla, range anxiety, or the phantom braking the 3 and Y experience on “autopilot” due to the cheaper sensors that were substituted last year. Once the road tax is charged per mile instead of added to gas, the Tesla costs even more.
It is true that the Tesla is quicker than most cars in the 1/4 mile…for three times on a full charge. After the third time a 12 year old on a bicycle is quicker than the Tesla as the Tesla has to be charged for 50+ hours unless you pay an additional $10k for the fast charger, in that case your Tesla is down for 8 hours.
Enjoy your Tesla!
“Around town” likely works well.
Going out of town, not so much.
I have much more fun shifting gears and rolling coal.
Most of the toss pots in those self driving golf carts on steroids cannot even drive a stick shift.
I went full EV Q3 21, have done 6k miles at a cost of approx $100 electricity cost (3.2m/kwh, 0.05/kwh cost), the same mileage cost in my normal suv would of been $2k.
No brainer, and they are soo much fun to drive with all the torque.
Is that you Enrique?
I would rather drive my Diesel 4x4 5 speed than a glorified golf cart.
If you work for an oil company, show commitment.
Enjoy it while you can, road tax is coming, energy (electric will increase) and if your driving a Tesla good luck waiting for that spare to be delivered. Electric ain’t so green, it’s a myth. Remember stay out of water.
I’ve got 1000 gallons red fuel in tank by barn and paid 2.76 for it. Another 36 in factory tank and 40 in bed under toolbox. Duramax will be fine for a few months. And my full front RanchHand will squash your electric UTV when your batteries die on road.