Were notified last week we'll be getting 8% less each month starting mid-April with the chance to earn incentives (possibly more than 8% back) if you hit or exceed your targets. How is this legal? -Global Sales, SWE
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OP here, as I said I'm a band 8 software engineer with a comp science degree. What the heck does commission have to do with my team's tasks?
Very well deserved I must say... IBM Sales need to be serious about selling stuff... Time to get your thumbs out of your as--s sellers! GET IT DONE!
Perfect question for ask me anything to Rob T
Agree with @2yav. Why are there so many amateurs in IBM? Or is it bureaucratically hard to execute anything?
IBM has ALWAYS had trouble when it comes to commission plans. ALWAYS!!! No one in management or in the departments who are responsible for setting of commissions has any practical experience with what is expected from those who are on commission. THUS chaos.
When I was with IBM they lost a class action law suit about overtime for sys admins. They cut our salaries by 15%. Said the 45 hours we worked we would work the same and the 5 hours overtime would offset the 15% cut. Six months later cut the overtime. The account I was on if there was an outage and we hit 40 hours all agreed we go home and let IBM pay the sla penalties
Force your top performers to leave and replace them with cheap sh-t who will buy your stock, at discount, with their pay checks. A great scam. Keep it up
Yup, they give each other great blow jobs!!!
I cannot believe that IBM is still in business with their archaic ways of running a company. The executives do not have a clue on how to run a technology company. No wonder the rest of the world does not consider them to be a TECH company anymore, they are considered a SERVICE company. All the executives know how to do is service each other.
No need for layoffs when you can force people to leave o their own. Why stay?
Rosamillia says he wants everyone on commission
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4494262-international-business-machines-corporation-ibm-management-presents-morgan-stanley-technology
They're trying to get you to quit.
Good point, @1pnw! I'm sure they're so good at it because IBM lawyers are creme de la creme. I wonder, has IBM ever RAed a lawyer? Probably the company's most important employees.
With gas prices going up? They are playing with your money. They did something similar to me when I worked there.
If only the execs would take an 8% pay cut, with the promise of being able to make it up with performance. Maybe they would be incentivised to turn this dinosaur around.
IBM does illegal VERY WELL!!!
Time to start stealing everything you can from this POS company. Fight crime with crime!
I think it's illegal. Honestly.
And you’re trying to sell that pos red cr-p Ansible to customers?
Best of luck to you.
We threw in the towel with it.
They recently reorg'd us from C&CS into Global Sales with Rob Thomas... So, on top of lots of inflation we get no raise, no profit sharing, and an 8% reduction in base pay with no guarantees. Man. I really wanted to believe IBM could change. Instead it's just more of the same. Oh well, off to the rounds of interviews again.
Glad to hear this... I am in Services... someone has to pay for my 8% raise! Lol!!
Looks like the 1Q results must be a real disaster... Listen, at the end of the day, revenues will continue to go down... and IBM knows it. So, the only thing IBM can do is to try to cut expenses even more. If you are in Sales, oops!!! And if you are in Sales, it is probably the time to go look elsewhere. Good Luck!
Call a lawyer now. Don't sign anything!
OP, You are part of the IBM Sales organization. Most people in Sales work on a reduced pay (some % held back from the actual salary) and then have to make up for it by earning commissions / incentives. Looks like they are extending that model to your role as well. If that does not suit you, you can look for work in a non-sales org or even another employer.
By the way, it is completely legal. IBM can choose to reduce your salary to minimum wage and it will be still be legal since you always have the option to quit. You could potentially have had a breach-of-contract case if they gave you a job offer at one salary, you declined other offers and then IBM reduced your salary right after you joined IBM. Does not seem to apply to you here.
When IBM kept dumping more and more work on me by laying off employees and then took away my bonus program that equated to 25% of my potential earnings, I decided to leave the company! I was a great employee. I got tired of being screwed by management!!!
Hahaha, wtf! Sorry i am not laughing at you but at the announcement, seems like some cartoon like Simpsons or family guy.
It means Ibm wants you to leave without paying for severance. They sc--w their loyal employees like this.
Please update resume/linkedin and invest more time in search instead of working there.