Not sure why h-o-l-e got edited out. But, I think my point is understood.
But the brand name in this case is important. A degree from one school in a certain program may hold a lot more water in the hiring process than if its from another school, especially one that has a damaged reputation. That in turn effects the job and hiring statistics which is how this all starting happening in the first place with the FTC and now loan forgiveness. If the school indeed has to pay the government back on this, it will most definitely lead to more layoffs. It all relates.
In the end, this really goes back to the school diverging from its specialties to bring in more programs which made them basically like everyone else but at a higher cost. It started the downhill slide at that point. While they were the only major online school with multiple programs, that was fine. Then the community colleges and state schools jumped on the bandwagon. Since Devry does not even have that online advantage, what is left to make it stand out? Just the negatives that have come up in the last few years.
Management just keeps staying the course, which is obviously not working and the results end up being more and more layoffs. They need some MAJOR shakeups at the top levels thats willing to make the changes to stop it from sinking and make DeVry stand out again in a positive way. If they lose the ability to get access to financial aid beforehand though, then its all over. There are businesses who have been able to turn it around and save themselves. I just do not see it happening here. Management either does not see it or does not want to see it. It's not an easy fix, but digging out of a ho-e never has an easy fix.
That’s a valid argument and I have no problems with it. I do not control the tuition or work for admissions. Yes the reputation has been trashed and there are much better deals if all you care about is the brand name. Those are all reasonable criticisms…college is overpriced across the board. Keep in mind that every time someone is on here further trashing the school, they are contributing to devaluing that degree. This is supposed to be a forum about layoffs, not what you hate about DeVry. It’s unreasonable to claim that the program content is poor quality without actually understanding what the program content actually is..
Problem is DeVry charges way too much for the education it provides. It's great you like to teach but why should someone spend a he-l of a lot more for the school where the name on the diploma is becoming more and more worthless? Especially when what you teach is probably pretty standard at any state college CS or ISM program and at a lot of community colleges at a fraction of the cost. Devry is pricing themselves out of business and the corners they keep cutting are not doing anything positive for themselves. Just seems like they are coming to the end of the road. I am just amazed that people are willing to go down with a sinking ship. I left some time ago and never looked back.
@Frizz aww, bless your sweet heart if you think it’s simple, hon! Why don’t you go ahead and explain the relationship between MAC addresses, IP.v6 addresses, DNS, and the local routing table? You can’t, because you have no idea what you’re talking about. DeVry’s networking program comes from CISCO curriculum and targets the CCNA qualification.
If you think that networking shouldn’t be a valid career occupation, why don’t you call up your local Internet service provider and tell them to fire all of their employees because there’s a ten-minute video online explaining one part of their job? Good luck with that. You’ve got a lot of phone calls to make, and especially you’ll need to get all the CISCO academies shut down and the company delisted from the stock exchange. So simple anyone could do it, yes? I’m guessing that you don’t understand the difference between information dissemination and experiential knowledge. Using your logic, all professions should have been abolished with the publication of the first encyclopedia. Go on, I’m waiting….go watch a video about rebuilding a car engine and fire your local mechanic. SMH.
Honestly there are a lot of people mad right now at things they don’t understand, so at least you’re not alone
"All I said was that I can teach kids how to use a f&cking Internet router. It’s up to them to learn. I help as best I can."
For f$&@ sake, you think showing someone how to use a router, something a 30 second youtube video can do, is something worthy of a college course?!? Jesus. What is the final exam in your class, writing a paragraph on Word? If all classes are like this, no wonder students are wanting their money back and saying the school is fraud.
@ibaa+1fcc3HNg you misunderstood what I meant. A lot of us who were laid off tried to stay in higher ed only to find out other schools saw DeVry on our resumes and were like no thanks. Its not a positive to have DeVry listed as an employer, its looked down upon by a lot of people now thanks to the scandals in the last few years.
You seem to buy into the same cr-p that Devry was spewing about graudation statistics and job placement rates. I can tell you all that was complete bs. And obviously the government agreed since they found fault during the FTC case.
I agree that the place has problems and said nothing about stats. All I said was that I can teach kids how to use a f&cking Internet router. It’s up to them to learn. I help as best I can. Some can’t cut it. You think that they shouldn’t be allowed to try.
You would think that this "school" would have learned its lesson, but it hasn't. Hopefully one day it will be shut down for good.
Honestly, there are better options now that online is understood. DeVry was a pioneer in accelerated and online classes, and now that model is widespread to even traditional colleges. Phoenix and ASU are both worse options. I help who I can the best I can, and many succeed. I am not posting their LinkedIn profiles but those are out there if you could do some basic research.
>>Good luck in teaching elsewhere. As soon as colleges see Devry on your resume, they will show you the door. Enjoy your paycheck from that predatory shithole diploma mill you call a school while you can.
Well f4ck you then for wishing me ill. I help people learn for a living. You seek to disadvantage them by devaluing both their learning experiences and their humanity,
@cusw+1fcc3HNg, i was an employee at DeVry for about 5 years and I can tell you I am ashamed I ever worked there. Its nothing more than an overpriced diploma mill. I started there because I bought into the idea Devry was a good school. At one point in the past it was. But those days ended early 2000s. You seem to buy into the same cr-p that Devry was spewing about graudation statistics and job placement rates. I can tell you all that was complete bs. And obviously the government agreed since they found fault during the FTC case. You would think that this "school" would have learned its lesson, but it hasn't. Hopefully one day it will be shut down for good. Good luck in teaching elsewhere. As soon as colleges see Devry on your resume, they will show you the door. Enjoy your paycheck from that predatory shithole diploma mill you call a school while you can.
18 percent 8-year graduation rate.
Two years after leaving: 14 percent making progress, discharged, or paid in full.
5-year default rate: 43 percent
According to Department of Education documents, DeVry received more than 3,600 (over 15%) of the 24,000 federal fraud complaints lodged against for-profit colleges between January 20, 2017 and April 30, 2018.
@cusw+1fcc3HNg, I understand your defensiveness. It appears you have not understood my work. Yes, DeVry has helped many people. That was especially true decades ago. That was true of several other for-profit colleges in the early years--before many corporations stopped investing in their employees. Now, as a subprime robocollege, DeVry mostly helps itself--especially at the top--as former students struggle with debt. Yes, there are people with jobs that can get promoted or get a raise for their degree--but that era is fading away. Some feel guilty about selling subprime, some don't. Remember Hamburglar?
Suffering through your subpar attempts at analytic writing won’t make anyone feel better, Dahm. Aside from the overgeneralizations and lack of evidence, you stubbornly refuse to admit that DeVry has helped anyone succeed or get a job in their field. That’s patently false. You have this one-dimensional mindset such that you can only equate DeVry with fraud and failure. Yet many of my graduates (some vets) are doing quite well with their degrees. This lack of nuance likely hurts your prospects as a functioning academic scholar, despite your repeated efforts at unethical self-promotion here. It’s either indicative of trauma and self-hate that you’ve self-inflicted in your role as a DeVry instructor, or a mental, emotional, or learning disability. You are happy to offer up comparable subpar outcomes at community colleges in your first link, freely admitting that the only real difference is the price tag. Yet you somehow think that being a cheaper alternative makes you a morally superior human being. The truth is, a car is a car, and some cost more than other for no functional reason. Success and enjoyment is up to the driver.
In your next link, you make unsupported accusations against Harvard university. I’m not sure what the intention was, but the outcome will likely be nothing and a removal by admins. It’s ineffectual Internet hot air at best.
Finally, in your third link, you post an article comparing DeVry employees to abusers gaslighting themselves, which offers comparisons to child abuse. Do you think that this is funny, Dann? Are you trivializing child abuse? What is the matter with you…seriously? You should look into getting some counseling, if that’s what you really think.
But this is the kind of person that you are. You’ve shown us repeatedly. You’ve accused DeVry employees of being alcoholics in other posts. You ask us if we feel guilty or remorse, acting like you are the sole moral authority on higher education and only you know the truth, and you are the only good person in the universe. Hypocritical self righteousness at its best. Now this inference. You’ve been asked to leave repeatedly, and here you are tilting at windmills. You post here constantly, and have no right to do so—unless you finally admit that you worked for the company. Your behavior is harassing, unwelcome, and unwarranted. You are the abuser here but believe that you are in the right. Why don’t you take another look through that third article and ask yourself how much it applies to how you treat this website.
You ask how I rationalize my work for this school. It’s pretty simple, really. I enjoy helping students learn concepts that they are paying to learn and achieve careers in their field if they show dedication and motivation. I like being a mentor, an advocate, and supportive teacher who gets results. I’m sorry that it doesn’t fit with your simplistic, one-dimensional concept of DeVry.
@Brandon C., here's another one to make you feel better. By don't you feel guilty at all? What techniques do you use to rationalize staying? For family?
Brandon C, if it makes you feel any better...
He’s probably out there hawking useless associate’s degrees in sociology at RCBC.
I wonder what happened to Brandon C.
Didn't know DeVry was still around. Their programs are such that you can get the same training for free through various agencies. Even without any expansion that may come from the federal government, if you look around and meet certain criteria, you can gain the same skills. Without the 10K loan for a 9 month certificate.