My current Wells Fargo Manager does not have a college degree or Masters degree. However he continues to provide negative performance reviews for me when I do have a college degree with so many qualifications for my current job that he does not actually have in any way possible. My Manager, who writes my performance reviews, has absolutely no qualifications to perform my job function that is very technical, yet gets away with ranking on me with negative reviews when he really does not have a clue what the technical job actually involves. What shall I do about this situation? Why are there Managers at Wells Fargo who do not even have a college degree? How can they be qualified to give performance reviews to their technical employees who do hold college degrees and master degrees? Why are they not gone from the company? Not qualified for their job.
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I am so proud and grateful I went to college! It’s part of the American Dream. I feel sad for anyone who missed out on all the important educational and social experiences that a wonderful 4 year college education provides. Education broadens the mind and spirit and teaches people to understand different perspectives. Our world SURELY needs more of this. (I worked 2 jobs to help with costs throughout college and repaid my student loans after I graduated).
Please. Just stop.
Imagine thinking that a piece of paper is all you get from college.
Imagine thinking your value and skill is derived on a piece of paper.
Ouch people are so defensive about not having a college degree
The rest our your comment??? I rest my case.
@8rfy If you don't understand why the letters are capitalized after Mr. indicates you may not have passed remedial English. The rest our your comment is pure opinion and preference.
@8sdd, oh, i dunno. Capitalizing words that aren't a formal name. Randomly using apostrophes and double quotes. Not to mention using a typo as an indication of IQ when it has more to do with conscientiousness than IQ. Of course, she already knew that.
@7crt+1gYbEGaw please enlighten us. I do not see anything wrong with capitalization or punctuation. Is it because you do not have an argument? @6fm was pointing out the intellectual arrogance of the previous poster.
@7oex, that just isn't true.
Pretty sure technology isn’t a professional licensure…
Claiming to be an engineer without being licensed is against the law. Titles such as Professional Engineer, Professional Licensee (engineering), P. Eng., P.L. (Eng.), or any title including the word engineer or a related abbreviation can only be used by those who are licensed.
Somehow I as a "programmer" with a B.A. college degree, in a Wells Fargo Analytics department, was transitioned into the Technologies department and given a new job title that included "Engineer" that I may or may not "identify" with given the type of programming that I have experience with. "Engineer" officially requires an actual degree in Engineering of some sort, but now is assigned by companies as a job title to people who are really good at programming. I don't really think my job title should include the word "Engineer" but c'est la vie (French, for that is life). Now I have it on my job resume "Engineer" officially assigned as a job title by Wells Fargo. So COOL!
@6fmm, if you're going to be a typo Na-i, at least learn how to punctuate and when to use upper case letters.
@6lut - what has that got to do with anything?
And yet you are posting on a wellsfargo layoff board…. Gotcha
@6wnr+1gYbEGaw - Mr. Intelligent Poster, what is a 'read' degree? You know, since your posts are so "intelligent".
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AI, quantum computing, data scientists in tech and probably more in economics. I'd imagine we hire a reasonable amount.
I guess there are a LOT of employees at Wells Fargo with no college degree based on the comments. I am currently posting for a new job as a programmer and IF I did not have a college degree I would be "toast" on getting even one interview for such a position. Rather I have left my "imprint" for open to new programming jobs on many job posting sites over the years and usually get at least one, if not more emails or phone calls daily from recruiters looking to hire me to work for them in a programming job due to my college degree and long time technical experience and skills.
You think managers actually create job posts? They are completely canned posts created by HR.
@5huq, if you were smart you'd be able to tell based on my intelligent posts. I have a bachelor degree in computer science and I'm a self-made HNWI. And I mean a read degree from the US, not one of those fake training certificates they give out in India.
How many PhD’s are we hiring here and for what jobs? That’s funny
“Make sure they’re a good fit personality wise.” Perhaps study legal hiring practices.
@5kyi+1gYbEGaw did you go to college?
@5gfx, thank you captain obvious. I'm glad we have people such as you who are so learned that you can explain the world to us.
@4ixo+1gYbEGaw your education has obviously left you deficient in reasoning. No one is saying college is not important. Let me explain it to you. I'll use small words so you can follow along. Many of us have degrees. Some of us have advanced degrees. We understand that having a piece of paper does not equal intelligence. Having a piece of paper indicates you have completed coursework. It's not a magical document that imbibes you with complete understanding and knowledge. It's a first step to knowledge, not the goal. The fact you do not understand that indicates that you are a novice, and also indicates that your manager knows exactly what he or she is doing, with or without a degree.
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If I'm a manager hiring a PhD, I ask three other PhD's to interview them and assuming the pass muster in terms of technical competence, I'll have folks on maybe two other teams that our team works with interview them to check that they're a good fit personality wise and when HR comes back after their background check all I need to do is make sure I can stand to spend 40 hours a week with them and that they'll work well with / benefit the team.
I'll take an erudite person with a high school diploma any day over someone waving their piece of paper around and thinking they're special because of it.
Point is Manager at Wells Fargo with only a High School degree (granted that is a good thing to have) posts job description for an employee to work for them that REQUIRES a college degree, Masters degree, MBA degree, PhD degree etc. Why is it that the employee is REQUIRED to have an advanced degree when the Manager has only a High School degree? How can that Manager with only a High School degree be allowed to evaluate the writing and technical skills of the employee that is REQUIRED to have a higher level degree when the High School only graduate would not have the same training in writing and techical skills, for example? Not to mention higher level math skills, etc. required to graduate from a accredited college. Having a Manager with only a High School diploma evaluate an employee REQUIRED to have a more advanced degree is NOT FAIR to the employee working for the Manager who only graduated from High School. Get the point?
Oh well, I am currently looking for a new programming job and I sure am glad that I do have a college degree, plus additional technical training. Having a college degree is usually one of the REQUIRED skills to have on the job description, for a programming job.
Would be interested in being a teacher for kids actually, but I do not have a college teaching degree. I did get a job offer for a public school teacher years ago, due to my college degree in sociology though. Took the programming job that I was offered around the same time period. It is good for people to go to college.
What do you tell your children? A college education is unnecessary? Being well educated is a waste of time? Sad.
This topic has clearly struck a nerve with so many of you!
@4bur+1gYbEGaw so now OP is the same level as a doctor or lawyer? Accountants do not require degrees. In fact, I would rather have an accountant that has experience instead of someone who learned how to check boxes in a class.
@4xqk, it doesn't take a genius to see who goes to college after high school and who doesn't. I guess you're proof that degrees don't necessarily mean you're smarter.
Wow. OP thinks they're owed a good review based on things they did years ago.
This is called feeling entitled.
It's what happens when higher education becomes a place where wealthy people pay to get their d-mb kids into a system that rewards incompetence.
It's how we get banks and companies and a government run by incompetent people who are the poster children for Dunning-Kruger.
Glad my doctor has college degrees! My accountant and attorney, too!
@4tjz+1gYbEGaw yes, you are so much "smarted" than those people without degrees. Anyone who thinks you get "smarted" by completing a college degree is delusional. I say this as someone with a B.Sc. and M.Sc.. There are plenty of college graduates that are not qualified for their job. A certain credit bureau hired a college graduate with an advanced degree. They had a major breach. It came out during all of the media publicity that her degrees were in music. Who was better suited for that role? Someone with 10 years experience in infosec, or the college degreed person?
Most of WF jobs don't require a degree. You may want to shop for a job that cares about your degree and pay you for it or get of your high and realize that may just suck at your job.
@3hfz, one of the best ways to see if someone hustles is if they have a degree. And they're generally smarted than people without degrees. I mean, just look at the deep thinkers without degrees here posting about how having a degree doesn't prove you're smart. Like that wasn't already common knowledge.
@3pce+1gYbEGaw but "nice car" and "BMW" are not the same thing.
I will take a person with no degree and hustle over a whiny, entitled, basic worker with a degree any day.