Hey everyone, I am in EMHC in DS and just got my PIP communication today and that it was mostly behavioral based vs. actual performance issues.
I am sub 5 years and a CL 24 exp. hire. Should I stay or take the PIL?
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Apply to grad school. Maybe work through the PIP and start grad school in 2023. Grad school is the best excuse when you start looking for a job in 2025. 2023 and 2024 will be recession years, so coming out of grad school as economy is recovering will be great
Take the PIL and find another job. The global job market is still good for the rest of the year.
The probability of a global recession by the middle of next year is high and if that occurs, no one in the energy industry will be recruiting entry level or experienced hires.
Experienced hires are seen as second class citizens. You are better off taking the PIL and leaving. There is no chance for experienced hires to obtain high CL. Excuse company uses is there isn’t time to train you. If you didn’t join at 22 years old with a BS in engineering from the right school you have no chance.
If you are a minority you may have a chance, otherwise it’s a death sentence. Start making exit plans
Leave. It will follow you for at least 3-4 years in Career Connect; so even if you get a new boss two years from now they can see it. I agree with all of the other posters who say leave.
Former supervisor near RE myself
@uxx “My decision depends on your relative performance in the next few months.” I would have paid $$ to see the look on your manager’s face had you said that to them!
“I am tired of getting new “opportunities” and taking on extra duties because I am so “crucial” to the success of the group AND then to be told during my PDS that I am not good enough.” You’re not alone. I too am close to RE, and deal with the same c—p. Others WFH whenever and as often as they please with no apparent impact on their performance, while us “crucial” people show up and produce, only to watch others get credit for our diligence.
Don’t train your replacement. If they really want your expertise, make ‘em pay to bring you back as a contractor!
Good luck to you.
It’s a death sentence in your early career. You’ll get terrible raises and job opportunities. If you think you can get something quickly, take the PIL, but if not, take the PiP. You’ll likely pass due to headcount issues, and it will give you more time to keep looking.
Best of luck!!
Lol @ “My decision depends on your relative performance in the next few months.”
Like someone else said, wait it out until you’re vested then you’ll get something from the pension.
As brutal as this may sound, I’d just take the PIL and leave. The odds of passing the PIP is relatively low, you’ll be working your bu-t off when you could be looking for another job, and even if you pass, it’ll take years to dig out of the ho-e.
The company has already let you know that you are not a good fit. I wish I had listened when they told me as much years ago. I wasn’t PIPd, but despite doing some really good work, I was never look as a valuable contributor again. Much of my work successes were attributed to others and I watched as they moved up in the company.
I feel like I have been hanging on by a thread the last few years. I think the only reason I wasn’t let go or forced to retire in 2020 was because I was 2 years from turning 55 (and being RE).
I am tired of getting new “opportunities” and taking on extra duties because I am so “crucial” to the success of the group AND then to be told during my PDS that I am not good enough.
Everyday, there are multiple people in my group who WFH. A few months ago, I had to have some weekly medical treatments for a month, so I asked if I could work from on Wednesdays. Not only did they say no, they reminded me about how important and needed I was. Meanwhile, everyone else works at least one day from home. I am done with it all. I will be eligible to retire in January 2023. I have already told them I will be leaving. Now, they are freaking out and want me to stay on for a few extra months to train my replacement!! I told them I’d think about it. I really wanted to say, “My decision depends on your relative performance in the next few months.”
I am so tired of their games.
Ultimately, if I could do it all over again, I’d have left years ago. If I were you, I’d get out now. This company will suck the life out of you,
Good luck to you.
Don't waste any time trying to find a new job. If you are a CL24, you are young and have a 100% chance of employment elsewhere, maybe not as good of pay/benefits, but that will come in time anywhere if you are a "good fit" in that company. The message that you have been given is clearly that they do not see a long term career at XOM for you. Take the PIL.
Leave now and stop the torture to yourself and your family and friends. Working here has many negative impacts that creep up on your over time and you,'ll look in the mirror on day and not recognize yourself... I know.
Your career at XOM is over. Do the PIPif you need 9months to find the right job. If you find a job quickly you can transition to the PIL.
How long do you have to 5 years? If you pass five years, you will be vested in the pension plan, so you should get a lump-sum check, which you can rollover to an IRA. If you are within a year, it is worthwhile to do the PIP while looking for other jobs. The amount will probably be small, but why leave any money on the table?
Other than that, I agree that you need to leave soon; your career is going nowhere.
OP, I am sorry for you. I suggest you take the PIP. If you don't pass it then it is more or less like the PIL. You still have three months of pay and time to look very aggressively for another job. If you do pass it then ask yourself how many years you have with the company. If you are one year away from the five year mark, then stay with the company, complete your five years so you are vested for the pension (you will get very little money but at least you did not waste five years of work) and as soon as you have five years and one month with the company find yourself another job. If you are more than one year away from the five year mark then just find yourself another job as soon as possible. Unfortunately what they other posts say is true. Your career at Exxon is finished. Expect to be NSIed next year or the following year. Eventually you will be laid off for some obscure reason. Good luck.
You will likely never recover from a PIP early in your career. Your promotions and pay will be stunted for decades. Unless you REALLY want to stay at XOM, I would take the PIL so that you can focus fulltime on finding a new job instead of working your bu-t off at XOM and doing all the extra documentation required by the PIP. Like I said, even if you survive the PIP, you will not have a stellar career.
I'm certainly not saying that it is right, just the sad brutal truth.
@OP, a couple of things: (1) you can get your unemployment either way. There is effectively no difference between taking the PIP vs. PIL. In both cases you will be on payroll for three months and then not. Just be careful how you fill out the unemployment form. You didn’t get severance you just agreed to stop getting paid after 3 months.
(2) You need to evaluate whether the PIP is achievable AND whether you trust your supervisor. If the PIP has hard to define metrics like, “must produce work that is impactful for the corporation”, then you’re toast and should just take the PIL. But if the supervisor is honest with you, encourages you to take the PIP, and has given a reasonable plan with clearly defined goals and metrics, then go ahead and take the PIP.
But I agree the other people on this post, you should immediately slow down your work and start looking for the next job if you pass the PIP. You will be ranking canon fodder at some point, or be the obvious choice for a layoff should another involuntary program be announced.
Good luck with your choice. I passed a PIP and then got laid off in the involuntary program back in 2020. To be honest, I’m so glad they let me out of that asylum. I’m making less, but am in a more stable job and industry, and moved to a beautiful place with access to skiing, hiking, and other outdoor adventures.
This could be the best thing to happen to you! So,
GET OUT!!!
Your question is a good one. MPT new hire employees have always gone under Exxon scrutiny for up to a 5 year period to assess potential and whether or not they should be kept as a "good fit". Some new employees make their own fit assessment and either leave on their own accord or decide to give it their all. This new system is different, but, after witnessing it's use for z couple of years I can say that I've seen sub 5 year MPT employees ranked NI decide to take the PIP, give it a very strong effort and succeed. My advice is, if you feel comfortable in the Company and you think it's truly a matter of performance and effort then take the PIP and give it 110%. You may not wind up "HiPo", but, you can have a satisfying career. If you don't really give a sh1t about O&G and EM then bail now. They're doing you a favor, no regrets either side.
Either a troll or a complete mo--n.
Thank you, and good night
Wow a pip within 5 years that is bad. I know of someone who was piped with similar time in. They passed pip but were always low ranked for Many years. Eventually they pip ed them again and they left. Good luck with what ever you choose. If you are young I would leave if not try the pip. Remember you need at least 15 years and be 55 years old to retire. That Is a long time to make it with a pip on your back.
Take the PIP do it well while aggressively looking outside.
Last 3 years of performance is visible to any future supervisor you may have. That makes you undesirable for future moves or growth.
Digging out of a NI or NSI to go to the top category is quite tough because perceptions have already been formed.
Good luck and don't take this personally. You are good and that's why you work here. Life is a long journey, don't let this impact you. The outside world knows about the system and that people are jumping left and right. Most OnG industry knows about it and so you can be honest that you wanted to leave.
Good luck my friend.
Take the PIP, let them fire you unless you have job lined up. If you quit no unemployment.
Take the PIP … the ho-e is deep …. Unless your supervisor moves and you get a different one who will take a new view … this is a low probability event
If you’re classified as needing PIP this early in your career, you have a slim chance of passing. If you do pass, expect to have a stagnant career in the near future before they PIP you again. For sure you will never be considered HiPo as your potential has taken a severe hit