Does Cisco offer any incentive to stay beyond a pay check?
More vacation? Anything?
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The only thing that changed for me was getting more consistent RSUs each year.
At least you get RSUs. For those in grade 8, you only get them if you work on the high-vis projects.
Yep, you save cisco while there and deserve more credit than you were ever given said no one ever.
That sentence was never said by anyone with a basic understanding of English.
You confused basic programming concepts taught in high school in the 1970s with IT support. Knowing those concepts doesn’t make someone great but not knowing them makes someone incompetent. Cisco has a lot of incompetence at every level.
"I worked there back then. Promotions didn’t even come with raises
Sounds like you were one of the arrogant ones that ended up at eds or hp in the print room at night. That or you worked the TAC and complained about everything you didn't have and what others were doing. Yep, you save cisco while there and deserve more credit than you were ever given said no one ever.
There are no defined additional benefits at G12, unless you count being invited to Leader Check-in every month.
The only thing that changed for me was getting more consistent RSUs each year.
No advantage for 12s. No extra anything.
Supposedly the heavens open and RSUs flow down but that is still the exception. And I'm not talking large numbers of shares, 50K per year, maybe.
At least Grade 11s got a tenure bump with Fran's MRR shake down. where they made everyone take bonus pay as salary and then said wow, look our salary rate don't suck that bad!
"get laid off and end up selling paint at the Home Depot and eating cat food."
Only in the US of A of course.
I like how some people think staying at Cisco means wasting your life. How is a career at Microsoft any better? Are you contributing to making the world a better place? Saving lives? Nope.
Actually yes, but not at Microsoft. There are smaller companies doing cutting edge work (I mean real systems engineering, not just being the first person on your team to write a “for loop” in C+=%#25) and some do save lives. I know, I’ve been a successful leader for some of them and those systems did save lives. If version 1.0 isn’t solid the company isn’t there to do a version 2.0 and most people at Cisco, Microsoft, IBM, etc… couldn’t survive in those environments.
IT jobs are mostly phoney. You learn the cool tech du jour, it becomes obsolete, rinse and repeat.
Technologies come and go but there are core engineering skills that are universal, timeless and will never be fully mastered with a lifetime of continuous improvement. Unfortunately most focus on new technologies ignoring these core skills which is why Cisco acquires box designs instead of building systems.
Then you retire or die before.
In the case of some older Cisco employees you get laid off and end up selling paint at the Home Depot and eating cat food.
It was definitely a great place before the woke attitude replaced common and business sense.
I worked there back then. Promotions didn’t even come with raises.
As for the woke thing most of the software quality metrics back then showed the average engineer underperformed deadwood. It’s better they sit in meetings unable to learn to be excellent to each other than to break more code.
Out of the many hundreds of people I worked with directly I can’t name five I really didn’t like and I can’t name five I would hire. How can you have so many Principal Engineers without a 1970s high school level understanding of functional decomposition, refactoring, scaling or even why you should have a friend review the white papers you assembled from random bits of plagiarized texts that collectively prove you had no idea what you stole because the resulting paper is entirely self contradictory? It was only a great place for those who didn’t know better.
I like how some people think staying at Cisco means wasting your life. How is a career at Microsoft any better? Are you contributing to making the world a better place? Saving lives? Nope. IT jobs are mostly phoney. You learn the cool tech du jour, it becomes obsolete, rinse and repeat. Then you retire or die before.
Grade 12 [..] is land of the stuck.
I'm stuck in grade 11 :-/ :-/ :-/
Grade 12 is no man’s or women’s land. It’s land of the stuck.
They definitely screwed over the ones that early on helped put this company on the path to where others are benefiting today. When fran and chuck said they were taken care of over the years, well that buffoon along with mm, fran, and the rest of the chuckie team get paid well beyond what they would be worth in any other world. Nothing other than stock vesting are going to keep those people around and I would expect they have realized they wasted a lifetime at the place. It was definitely a great place before the woke attitude replaced common and business sense.