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Vehicle subscription sales, not very successful….

Car companies want to make billions by charging monthly fees for features like heated seats, but buyers won't pay up
Tim Levin

Car companies expect to make billions charging customers recurring fees for vehicle features.

Today, carmakers offer subscriptions for automatic high beams, remote start, and other functions.

Manufacturers see dollar signs, but buyers aren't thrilled about the idea.

How would you feel about paying $5 each month for the ability to lock and unlock your car from a distance through an app? What about a $25-per-month charge for advanced cruise control or $10 to access heated seats? What if those charges continued long after your car was paid off?

As vehicles become increasingly connected to the internet, car companies aim to rake in billions by having customers pay monthly or annual subscriptions to access certain features. Not content with the relatively low-margin business of building and selling cars, automakers are eager to pull down Silicon Valley-style profits.

But unlike with Netflix, you won't be able to use your ex-girlfriend's uncle's login in your new BMW. And car buyers don't seem too thrilled about the idea.

For automakers, the advantage of this model is clear. Not only do they get a stream of recurring revenue for years after an initial purchase, they can hope to maintain a longer-term relationship with the customer and build brand loyalty, said Kristin Kolodge, vice president and head of auto benchmarking and mobility development at J.D. Power.

This approach can also allow carmakers to streamline manufacturing by building cars to more uniform specifications, Mark Wakefield, who runs the automotive and industrial practice at the consulting firm AlixPartners, told Insider. Down the line, owners can add on the features they want à la carte.

It's all made possible by the advent of over-the-air software updates, which were pioneered by Tesla around a decade ago and are now entering the mainstream. Today's vehicles are more internet-connected and computerized than ever before, meaning car companies can reach deep inside a vehicle to add new capabilities and tweak things from a distance.

Brands including Lexus, Toyota, and Subaru invite owners to pay for the convenience of being able to lock or start their cars remotely through an app. In some BMWs, you can pay to unlock automatic high-beam headlights, which dim for oncoming traffic. In 2020, BMW floated the idea of pay-as-you-go heated seats and steering wheels. General Motors and Ford both offer subscription plans for their hands-free highway driving systems.

Some people may welcome the ability to only pay for the features they actually want, rather than a big bundle of add-ons. But car companies still haven't figured out exactly what customers are willing to pay for, and what feels like a frustrating upcharge.

In 2019, BMW abandoned a plan to charge $80 per year for Apple CarPlay after widespread pushback. In December, Toyota said it would review a subscription plan that unintentionally paywalled use of the key fob for remote start.

"I think we're going to see some interesting ebbs and flows of what really sticks," Kolodge told Insider.

Automakers run the risk of making customers feel like they're paying twice — once for a function to be built into a vehicle and again to activate it, Kolodge said. They may have more luck asking people to subscribe to brand-new services, rather than familiar features, she added.

Understandably, drivers aren't nearly as excited about recurring fees as carmakers are.

An April study by Cox Automotive found that 75% of consumers are not willing to subscribe to most vehicle features. Drilling down deeper, 92% of respondents said heated and cooling seats should be included in a car's up-front price, and 89% said the same for remote-start functions.

There's a bill working its way through New Jersey's legislature that would ban carmakers from charging on a subscription basis for features that use hardware already built into a vehicle and don't cost the company anything to provide over time. Hackers have helped car owners upgrade their vehicles for years, and subscription features could be their next target, Vice reported.

Still, automakers see dollar signs. Stellantis (formerly Fiat Chrysler), Ford, and GM each aim to generate at least $20 billion in annual revenue from software services by 2030.

Over-the-air capabilities open up huge opportunities for carmakers to introduce new subscription or pay-per use features over time, Wakefield, of AlixPartners, said. Someday, you may be able to fork over extra to make your car more efficient, sportier, or — in an electric vehicle — unlock extra range for road trips.

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What’s next? You have to pay a subscription fee to start your car? To drive it? To use the tailgate? There’s no end to what the car companies can limit customers to with this stuff. I will not pay $50K for a vehicle and THEN pay a subscription fee on TOP of that? And what if it’s an EV? Then I have to buy a $20K battery? No thank you.

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Post ID: @ekzc+1jOJTeaz

They will have many lean years with subscriptions. People are aware of it now, and holding on to their older vehicles because all the "subscriptions" are free (built into the vehicle). It won't be until these vehicles die, where the subscriptions will live.

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@lep+1jOJTeaz

The “customer features they want to pay” for are QUALITY VEHICLES THAT DON’T HAVE MONTHLY RECALLS OR CATASTROPHIC FAILURES.

How many Blue Cruise subscriptions will it take to equal the $10 BILLION annual profit from the F150? Please post your math on this.

That is all.

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Post ID: @1mch+1jOJTeaz

https://www.autoblog.com/2022/11/21/car-companies-want-to-charge-monthly-fees-for-features/

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Post ID: @1uzi+1jOJTeaz

You have to be an id**t to pay for vehicle subscriptions and make these mo--ns rich.

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Post ID: @1bmx+1jOJTeaz

The only people I know who will pay for subscription services are teenage boys. My grandkids say they would pay a buck a month for cool engine sounds or rad mood lighting. Of course we all know that they would be bored with it in a few months and stop the subscription. And we also know that most parents do not buy teenage boys a new car.

Everyone else I talk to say they will absolutely NOT pay a monthly subscription to enable a feature that exists on an overpriced vehicle that they purchased. They would do without the feature or jailbreak the feature themselves. Ford execs are fooling themselves.

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Post ID: @jaq+1jOJTeaz

This article is filled with misinformation. Ford's Blue Cruise subscriptions are expanding significantly each month already. The monthly sales report data proves this. We are just getting started in this subscription space.

The value of connected data and developing that data into customer features they want to pay subscriptions for is going to be our business model going forward.

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Post ID: @lep+1jOJTeaz

So yourself a favor. If you buy a connected car find the cellular modem, and cut the wires.

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Post ID: @sxr+1jOJTeaz

Thats called corporate greed
Exactly the reason why these fat pigs need to be shown the way out.

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Post ID: @zrj+1jOJTeaz

Thats called corporate greed
Exactly the reason why these fat pigs need to be shown the way out.

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