Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

How Many Hours is Enough?

Without any clear and specific words from our leaders, perhaps there is an AD, Director, or higher that reads this board and can provide some insight as to how presence is being measured.

What is a "full day" in the office? I am not referring how many hours a day a person works, OK? One can work a couple hours in the morning or a couple at night, from home, and be in the office for the majority of the day. For a lot of people this was ideal for a work life balance and I think the company was getting more work out of it's employees. But, how many hours do I need in the office to show present on a report? Ask this question to your manager and you are met with the suspicion that you are trying to game the system.

What happens if I take a half day off? Do I need to come into the office or does the PTO remove the presence calculation for that day?

Here's a pre-emptive FU to the "ask your supervisor" dude.

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I left the company this month.

I NEVER worked from the office since RTO started. I coffee badged EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Nobody ever said sh-t, they either can't track it or don't enforce it.

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Post ID: @sj+1jj8fy62q

Well this explains why they are not providing assigned desks. If you had an assigned desk, you could just leave your laptop attached to the network. They way they know when you are leaving the office at night.

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Apparently they are tracking how many hours you are logged into the wi-fi in the office. Why do I say that? SOME managers in SOME segments actually make their people aware of how many hours they are logged in each day. These people have been told they are looking for average of 6 hrs per day (30 hours per week) UNLESS you are a sales position where they are supposed to be in the field seeing clients, which better be logged into salesforce and on your calendar.

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Post ID: @hc+1jj8fy62q

I'm HR. I have first-hand knowledge about how they are tracking and reporting presence. They are pulling in data from three sources:

  1. Your laptop pinging the office network
  2. Your COU pinging the office network
  3. Your badge swipes

The report essentially looks at the first time they "see" you each day (usually a badge swipe), and the last time they see you (usually a network ping) and generates an estimate based on that.

Laptops ping the network at random intervals about once an hour. COUs ping much more often - I'm told every few minutes. But, not everyone has a COU, and just because someone isn't connected to the network doesn't mean they aren't still in the office.

That means the best they can do is generate a report with a one- or two-hour margin of error. As long as they see you 6 or 7 hours apart, you should be in the clear, unless there's something else you're doing that raises red flags and invites a closer look.

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Post ID: @gs+1jj8fy62q

Simple taking a half day pto leaves 4 hours required in office. If you can’t do simple math, then you are not qualified to be employed period.

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Post ID: @g5+1jj8fy62q

I’m an AD and was analyzing the presence report and noticed a hack. It works best if there’s a holiday during the week and you want to work from home two out of the remaining four days. Use two hours of vacation time or family care two of the days. The report would show two days in the office and three exception days.

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Post ID: @eb+1jj8fy62q

It's 8 and the gate. If they are tracking, then great, I'm giving 8 in the office. But they get nothing beyond that. Laptop stays in the backpack when I go home. Like someone said, if they are going to track the minimum hours worked with a "virtual timecard", then I'm going to track the max hours to be the same.

My flexibility matches theirs. Required 5x8 in the office, no exceptions, then they get 5x8 in the office, no exceptions. Easy.

And remember, if you aren't in the office, you aren't working. You are simply giving the company your time for free. That's time you could be spending with your spouse, kids, friends, or working a side hustle to get away from AT&T.

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Post ID: @e1+1jj8fy62q

Ask your supervisor

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Post ID: @df+1jj8fy62q

Our "leaders"...haaahaaaahaaa!! Must be new to the working world, there is a difference between "perceived" leadership and true leadership with actionable results that reflect said leadership!

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Post ID: @d3+1jj8fy62q

“ Enough to get your job & other requirements (training, etc.) done as expected. We’re not shift working, clock punchers.”

You might want to let “leadership” know this if you are referring to managers.
Between the badge swipes & IP pings they are pulling MORE reports and spending A LOT of time treating managers as if they are “shift working, clock punchers.”
It appears “leadership” didn’t get your memo.

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Post ID: @d0+1jj8fy62q

I'm not sure how they will enforce this for exempt managers. An exempt manager is not paid overtime and are expected to work as much as it takes to get the job done. So, if it takes 5 hours or 10, you get paid the same.

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Post ID: @cw+1jj8fy62q

" HR here, its 6 hours based on pings. Anything less will flag you on the presence reporting dashboard. Keep in mind they are pinging COU's as well to confirm."

The above is a lie, because they are NOT pinging COU devices. That is a complete lie trying to make everyone paranoid.

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Post ID: @ce+1jj8fy62q

HR here, its 6 hours based on pings. Anything less will flag you on the presence reporting dashboard. Keep in mind they are pinging COU's as well to confirm.

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Post ID: @c8+1jj8fy62q

The magic number is 6 because their system is too stupid to be able to capture all 8 accurately.

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Post ID: @by+1jj8fy62q

Enough to get your job & other requirements (training, etc.) done as expected. We’re not shift working, clock punchers.

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Post ID: @bw+1jj8fy62q

It’s not difficult. 5 x 8

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Post ID: @bt+1jj8fy62q

“I and team”

So glad the “I and team” d0uch3 nut” showed up. Were you always an a$$w1p3 or did you just work on it over the years.

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Post ID: @aq+1jj8fy62q

“Here's a pre-emptive FU to the "ask your supervisor" dude.”

I also can give pre-emptive FU to asking supervisor dude. I and team dooes many readings and see the postings of said asking guy. He also can ask his supervising supervisor to do the needful. How dooes he like that?

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Post ID: @af+1jj8fy62q

You are not living the intent. You should live at the office and only go home to sleep.

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Post ID: @aa+1jj8fy62q

They have no accurate and effective way to track your hours. The desktop presence report doesn’t ping often enough to capture it accurately. I’m in at 8a every day and leave by 4:15. On most days it shows my latest ping at least an hour earlier than when J leave , sometimes 2 hours. I worked 8, it captured 6-7.

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Post ID: @a9+1jj8fy62q

I have heard -off record 6….and out the other side of the mouth, don’t ask questions we don’t want answers to. If we push, they will have to say 8/9 hrs Be discreet, do your job, play the game and hopefully in enough time, this too shall pass.

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Post ID: @a7+1jj8fy62q

8 is what they want. I know groups that are getting talked to if showing less than 7 hours already.

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6

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Post ID: @a3+1jj8fy62q

doesn't matter how many hours you work at home or at work. The company revenue won't go up either way. The customer base is not going to change. If offshore is highered in mass, the cost will be higher than usa workers. Then the company will have to increase prices on the existing customers to compensate. If 30 percent of the costomers can't afford the offshore cost, they will switch to cox communications. This means the offshore and usa workers will get laidoff faster. In effect working more or higher offshore will create much more layoffs. sorry to break it to you friends.

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