Any chance that leadership will drop the whole DEI push in the coming year? They seem to like to follow the crowd and a lot of companies are reconsidering these things now. In my opinion, this would improve morale at least a little bit for many employees.
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Here come the persecuted, old white dudes. Life is so hard for you. Allow us to break out the tiny violins 🙄 for your victimhood
I never once made a comment about DEI. Maybe your next "skill" can be reading comprehension, if you have the time and funds to do so.
Yeah, unreasonable to expect "leadership" to do any work on employee enrichment. Just schluff it all downhill for the peons to deal with.
It’s bootlicking when people take their career growth into their own hands, allowing them to change companies and jobs with 150%+ raises each time? Sure… keep telling yourself that and whining to an online forum that it’s DEI’s fault you aren’t getting promoted
By gawd, the bootlicking is unbelievable. Heaven forfend the company shoots the lock off their wallet and invests a little in its employee base.
But no, that might cut a little into Cordani's 20+ million annual compensation. Certainly cannot have that. Much better that the rank and file bear that expense.
Again, learning new skills is not a priority for The Cigna Group. It may be a priority for those schmucks who choose to shoulder all the responsibility, but the company? Nah
"Wait. I am expected to learn new skills that i would USE FOR WORK on my own dime and my own time?"
Struggling to understand this thought process.... it only makes sense if you plan to stay at Cigna for the rest of your life in the exact role you have today. Yes, like the doctor's who pay for med school, lawyers who pay for law school, etc., many ambitious people further their education and skills independently. If you are an employee who is an asset, you can much more easily change companies and jobs, making more and more as you do. You can negotiate higher income based on what you bring to the table. It isn't to benefit your employer, it's to give YOU freedom and autonomy in your career path.
Who is better positioned to foot the bill for job-related training - the company that makes billions in profit every year, or the poor schlub who is just trying to get by?
Wait. I am expected to learn new skills that i would USE FOR WORK on my own dime and my own time?
Bwahahahaahahahahahahahahahaa
Maybe I should chip in for my next laptop refresh or contribute to the office toilet paper fund.
I am the problem because I'm unable to receive training? Uh sure.
Don't worry. I've given up on it some time ago. So maybe I can get off your problem list? Your opinion is super important to me.
"Right. I have been waiting for my Senior Manager to send me to training for years now. I'd have more success draining the Pacific Ocean with a sponge.
Learning new skills is NOT a priority at The Cigna Group."
you wrote this with a straight face not realizing you might be the problem here?
You've been waiting for YEARS for someone to send you to a training to learn new skills???? You can't learn new skills on your own? That is pathetic, I'm sorry. Take your own initiative, make your own career path. Whether that's at Cigna or elsewhere.
Right. I have been waiting for my Senior Manager to send me to training for years now. I'd have more success draining the Pacific Ocean with a sponge.
Learning new skills is NOT a priority at The Cigna Group.
Yes I guess that would improve morale among racist and bigoted employees. I’m not sure that should be a priority, so I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.
Maybe try being better at your job, continually learning new skills, being a collaborative teammate who values others, and not blaming all of your failures on “those people.” I’m a straight white guy who has had no problems advancing my career here. It’s always the most incompetent, entitled, difficult to work with, lazy employees who make this complaint. Don’t be one of them.
"The middle class, and especially small, rural towns, have been struggling for decades now."
This entire comment is SO well said and well written.
DEI or no DEI, employee morale is shot. Way too many lies and gaslighting attempts, along with the stubborn and inflexible RTO mandate have ruined it for many.
The middle class, and especially small, rural towns, have been struggling for decades now.
White people have it bad. Black people have it bad. Men have it bad. Women have it bad.
CEOs have it pretty good though.
Then someone points out that there's not very many minorities and women in senior leadership. Somehow they're getting excluded. What's going on?
The people doing the hiring say that they're not racist and s-xist, they're just not getting any applicants.
So we say it's systematic racism and s-xist. There's not one terrible person in a pointy hat throwing anyway everyone's resume. Something more subtle and maybe even accidental is going on!
Some people hear "systematic racism" and mistakenly believe they are being called racist, and get mad about it.
Someone else decides to use that. They get a megaphone and say "THEY'RE CALLING YOU A RACIST/S-XIST! DOESN'T THAT MAKE YOU MAD!?"
Some DEI programs are created. In the good programs, the hiring managers go out of their way to make sure they get some women and minority resumes. They find qualified people of diverse backgrounds and hire more of them than before.
Some bad DEI programs practice malicious compliance. They hire unqualified people and when that causes problems that say "look at how bad DEI is!".
Then some politicians figure out that by dividing us and making us mad, they can motivate people to show up and vote. So that's what they do.
And that is how we got here.
Even on this unofficial, rumor website. We're still having the arguments that they want us to have. Fighting each other for the scraps.
“In 2023 cigna had 71% women and 29% men. Doing a simple Cigna DEI lookup in google will tell you that.”
And? That proves that more women work at Cigna, not that more women and minorities are promoted at Cigna. Look further into the data of your “simple google search”:
- Entry level: 16% men, 84% women
- Mid level: 37% men, 63% women
- Executive level: 60% men, 40% women
So even though WAY less men than women are in entry and mid level positions, there are more men than women at the executive levels. This shows men are making their way up at much higher rates.
Doing the same look by race:
Entry level: 53% minority, 47% white
Mid-level: 30% minority, 70% white
Executive level: 15% minority, 85% white
So more minorities than white people in the entry level roles but somehow MUCH more white people at the top, showing that white people are making their way up in much higher rates.
But sure, lament that white men are being turned away from promotions in favor of minorities and women. There are truly no bounds to the lies white men will tell themselves, blaming others for why they aren’t succeeding, instead of looking in the mirror.
In 2023 cigna had 71% women and 29% men. Doing a simple Cigna DEI lookup in google will tell you that.
You’re wrong, the majority are not woman. Not even close. You can see the statistics on gender and race breakdown by band for Cigna group (both Cigna healthcare and Evernorth).
It’s public information.
I’m not sure what group you are seeing. At evernorth, majority of women are in high positions followed by Indians onshore.
Look at c suite and bands 6 and 7. The vast majority is white men. If you are a white man who thinks you aren’t being promoted because of DEI initiatives, look in the mirror. It’s more likely because you aren’t as great as you think you are
DEI policies are illegal when they discriminate based on race. The CEO has a responsibility to shareholders, this is business not a social service organization.
I get where some people are coming from, DEI did seem to displace some white men from promotions due to needing the diversity. However, if you look at medical director and up the number of women in those roles drops significantly. I don't know every ones race, but I am going to bet the majority of those leaders are white males.
Even minorities have noticed white males don’t get promoted. It’s not merit based. This company has many females and if they are males they are Indian. They target hiring certain types.
Y'all are weird. Most likely, you didn't get promoted because you're racist and think all Caucasian men are more qualified than minorities and women. You want to be promoted solely based on the "qualification" that you are a Caucasian male? That has been happening for centuries.
Since the early 1980’s, cigna has discriminated against merit impacting caucasian men IN FAVOR of (1) over educated under achievers, and (2) women and minorities, (3) staffing outcomes from mergers and acquisitions…
they are all in for discrimination against white males even though they have more experience and education. Saw first hand how female minorities get promoted with little to no experience or education.
Be SO for real. Look at the published, publicly available race and gender data for all the bands and tell me if you still believe this.
They will never get rid of it they are all in for discrimination against white males even though they have more experience and education. Saw first hand how female minorities get promoted with little to no experience or education.
I hope not. That would make my morale even worse.
Granted, I don't know how effective our current DEI programs are. But if they aren't working, let's fix them.
To me, a big part of it is just keeping your eyes open and notice when something isn't right.
For example, if our office building is in Ferguson, MO, but almost no one we're interviewing is black, we should ask why and see if there is something that needs to be fixed.
Or at least that's what I'd say back when we were hiring in America instead of remote workers in HIH.
I sure hope so. If it's not generating money then shut it down.
Did we ever hit 50% women in "leadership" (even though across the company is 73% female? I don't recall seeing a push to employ 50% men overall.
Are onshore Indians considered part of he minority quota they have to meet?
I remember when they rolled it out and just promoted random people because of it, while adding zero scope or responsibilities.