Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

"RTP is not an initiative driven by John. It has quickly become a baseline employment standard."

How RTO is implemented at T is all on JS!
Most people required to RTO either don't have to move thousands of miles or are returning to offices with available seating and desks and clean facilities, i.e. bathrooms with toilet paper.

There is big chaos happened due to this termination inside organization, every one is checking their attendance report everyday.People are loosing faith in company. At least one warning every one deserved if they were doing good in their job. But to make every one silent managers are telling everyone that they have video evidences that people were coming and going in half an hour one hour or just swipe in and leaving. But in any case if hour was not mandate then how any one is culprit when there is space issue in your building. Again any one sitting less than 8 hours are equally wrong as any one sit and leave in half and hour or 1 hour. So equal opportunity should be given to everyone and no partiality would have done. Either terminate everyone or don’t do discrimination based on less than 8 hour. AT&T should accept they have done wrong this time.

Employee discrimination happened by AT&T based on broken and faulty report. Employer fired employees based in discrimination. Why to fire less than 3 hours? Is there any rule, no? Then fire either all who reported less than 8 hours in office or don’t discriminate. Its unethical and will be challenged and sued in court based on employee discrimination and doing favors to others who also did not report 8 hours . There are discussions going on to file lawsuit against AT&T. Be prepared and ready to support it.

If you all could work as a team every other week you could work half days and let your partner in crime work 8 hours. Then switch and the other has “badge in /sign in duties “ the following week.

But we know this is already happening in some offices.

"in the current climate it is incumbent upon YOU to make sure it is reporting correctly."...

How are people seeing the daily or hourly? All I see is an average for the month...

The average hours report is an amalgamation of badge swipes, LAN pings, and COU pings. Those saying it doesn't include one or the other of those are incorrect. I have first-hand knowledge on this.

The report simply takes the first and last time you are "seen" each day via one of those three methods, and rounds the times down to an even quarter hour to determine your hours for that day.

The problem is that none of those three data points is infallible. Badge swipes sometimes don't report correctly. Network pings can be sporadic and unreliable. Not everyone has a COU. And, of course, someone can be in the office in meetings while not connected to the network.

There are also scattered issues that can cause you to have "ghost data" that appears - i.e. showing you in the office even when you weren't there.

Bottom line, it's fundamentally not reliable, and the powers that be know it. They're already stretching the limits of its usefulness and the lawyers will probably have a fit if they push it much more than they already have.

"T isn’t paying for time to commute or get set up. Get in five minutes earlier and be in place by 8:45 AM."

Shut up you little bi--h.

And I'm not opening any tickets to dispute their dum--ss report, either.

"The report literally talks about issues with badge swipe data at certain locations on the news and alerts screen."

You don't understand what you're looking at, and you're lumping it all together.

Yes, I see what you're talking about under "News and Alerts".

But the Average Hours report "itself" is simply measuring time connected to LAN (erroneously, in most cases). Badge Swipes / COU whatever else they are looking at is under the Presence Report...and you can't see this unless you are a supervisor or HR.

RTO was to ask employees to come to certain locations first 3 days and later 5 days, some locations were there building is not ready to accommodate all their employees. And they never mentioned how many hours need to be inside building. If its understood or but obvious then instead of terminating any one less than 3 hours in the office, all employees who were not in office for 8 hours should be terminated.
Broken system, broken record and pathetic management including HRs and leadership. All are doing comedy. Leadership and HR are trying to ruin the reputation of company. It certainly need change in too management whether it CEO or CTO. Otherwise this company will be destroyed.

“ The Average Hours report is not using badge swipes”

The report literally talks about issues with badge swipe data at certain locations on the news and alerts screen.

“ Just go to work 5x8 and you have no problems. Elementary Watson.”

If it was only that simple. This is how I know the troll posts are all Union field people. Except they may report your hours incorrectly, then you’re getting in trouble for not meeting standards even though you are. Plenty of folks doing 5x8 and still getting dinged due to inaccurate reporting.

" I did a test where I badged in and went to a 60+ minute meeting. Then logged into my PC after the meeting. It reported me coming in at the time i swiped my badge."

No, it didn't.

The Average Hours report is not using badge swipes.

So, I think clarification is necessary.

First- What the Directors on up are pretty much solely focusing on now (you'd think they would have more important stuff to do, but apparently not)--- is the Average Hours report. The other data points (badge swipes, COU, etc) are still there in the background and a part of the Presence Reporting. But it is the Average Hours report that is getting all of the scrutiny. And to the OP's point, EVERYONE knows it has issues.

So, in the current climate it is incumbent upon YOU to make sure it is reporting correctly. No one else is reviewing the validity of it on your behalf. If it is all wrong, and you are being shortchanged---if you do nothing except complain here, it is going to come back to bite you. You need to open a ticket for every single day that is incorrect. You need to keep a very close eye on it, and track your own time very closely. Your only recourse when HR comes calling will be acknowledgement that your hours are underreported and your ticket numbers showing that you are aware and are trying to get it addressed. If you have done nothing, they will assume the hours on the report are accurate and you're toast. This is all really sad and pathetic when you take a step back and look at where we are. It is unfathomable to anyone that works for a normal company, but here we are. If you want to stay, you have to play this game.

Second, while from an employment law perspective you are certainly "on the clock" once that badge is swiped to let you in the door and you are on premise...for the execs here using the flawed Average Hours reporting, make no mistake that your day does not start until you PC is first pinged when connected to the LAN. Depending on how far they want to push this , if they were to start firing people that are 15 minutes "short"---they are certainly going to be inviting a lot of litigious action.

An employee in our org was fired Friday for COBC violation of the How and Where We >Work policy.
Investigation and decision came straight from HR.

Liar. Names or it did not happen.

" T isn’t paying for time to commute or get set up."

Not sure why I am responding as I am reasonably sure you're just a troll, BUT ---- you'd be hard pressed to find any employment law attorney that doesn't agree that once you swipe your badge and enter the building, you're "on the clock".

An employee in our org was fired Friday for COBC violation of the How and Where We Work policy.

Investigation and decision came straight from HR.

"If you work 9 hours you won’t have any rounding deductions."

Sorry, the days of unpaid OT are over. The culture is now "8 & Skate, it can wait".

If you work 9 hours you won’t have any rounding deductions. Start doing a little more, not less.

I get the Report round a you down to the nearest 15 minutes. What I wonder about is if they keep your batch swipe time and just don’t publish it. If they did, potentially they could use that to dispute unemployment. The report might not be reliable, but they could show actual badge swipe times.

“For example let’s say you badge in at 8:41 AM but you don’t get logged into your computer until after 8:45 AM well you’re gonna not get the next ping until 9 AM and they will short you 15 min. This could mean the difference between achieving 8 hours or not.”
T isn’t paying for time to commute or get set up. Get in five minutes earlier and be in place by 8:45 AM.

I did a test where I badged in and went to a 60+ minute meeting. Then logged into my PC after the meeting. It reported me coming in at the time i swiped my badge.

This is all true. The devs are doing their best with cr-ppy data points from badge swipes, corporate LAN/WiFi, and COU triangulation. They waste so much time on this nonsense. If your hours look wrong, flood the HWWW mailbox. They’ve gotten thousands of tickets about incorrect hours. Source: I’m an HRBP.

“ Per the reports I average less than 4 hours a day in January and none in February and March. I have been in the office an average of 7 hours a day, 5 days a week since July 2023.“

Are you opening tickets on all of that mess? Because you’re fixing to get fired…

“ The clock starts when you swipe your badge, not when you log in.“

What “clock” starts with a badge swipe? You are incorrect. The flawed Average Hours report is using the time on the LAN to get the inaccurate measurement of your time in the office. And it’s essentially all any of the Directors and up are looking at anymore. Badge swipes were used to verify you were going in before the Average Hours Report was a thing, but has pretty much gone by the wayside. Basically only there as a backup metric now, so you can confirm you were indeed in the office if challenged and there is an issue with Average Hours.

“For example let’s say you badge in at 8:41 AM but you don’t get logged into your computer until after 8:45 AM well you’re gonna not get the next ping until 9 AM and they will short you 15 min.”

The clock starts when you swipe your badge, not when you log in.

No they are not. That is all intentional disinformation by HR and C-suite staff to try to >make people pay attention to their stupid policy edicts.

Nobody is d-mb enough to pay attention anymore. In our area our leaders couldn’t even read the report without someone explaining it to them. Sleepy Ward and Hippie Heidi could win a Guinness book of world records for staring at a report the longest without knowing what it means.

The problem is on the last refresh they refreshed the previous hours losing like 15-30 min per day on the report. I recommend taking screenshots because previous hour data is being overwritten in the reports. Since they are tracking by the quarter hour you get cheated if your ping is before your computer logs into the network. For example let’s say you badge in at 8:41 AM but you don’t get logged into your computer until after 8:45 AM well you’re gonna not get the next ping until 9 AM and they will short you 15 min. This could mean the difference between achieving 8 hours or not.

reports are wrong. i clock in at 9 and leave at 1. Subtract 9 minus 1 is 8 hours.

“The people complaining about it are the same people only doing four hours a day.”
#fact

Report accuracy has steadily improved during this past quarter.

No. Per the reports I average less than 4 hours a day in January and none in February and March. I have been in the office an average of 7 hours a day, 5 days a week since July 2023.

The people complaining about it are the same people only doing four hours a day.

No. Based on other reports, it said they will ping your machine every 15 minutes to check whether you are in attendance network or external network. So they should have all data points they need. Incapable developers, no excuses!

What is the point of your post? Nothing new here

Report accuracy has steadily improved during this past quarter.

OP is full of sh**

Just go to work 5x8 and you have no problems. Elementary Watson.

They are using the “flawed” data to terminate employees.

No they are not. That is all intentional disinformation by HR and C-suite staff to try to make people pay attention to their stupid policy edicts.

What are the limitation the developer say , which are not known ?

Could you please shed some light on ?

They are using the “flawed” data to terminate employees.

Let’s wait and see if anyone opens a lawsuit to sue over the inaccuracy of the data.

RTP is not an initiative driven by John. It has quickly become a baseline employment standard.