This might be it for me. I’ve dealt with a lot over the years, including long hours and working weekends, but I could stomach it. Now I have a new manager who talks down to people and creates chaos just to feel important. I don’t need to be publicly berated to do my job, especially by somebody who has no idea what I'm doing anyhow. How he got the job is beyond me. But I'm not staying around for much longer with him in charge of my team.
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@a5 excellent advice!
The California Civil Rights Department has voluntarily dismissed its case alleging caste discrimination against two Cisco engineers, while still keeping alive its litigation against the Silicon Valley tech giant.
The two Cisco supervisors, Sundar Iyer and Ramana Kompella, were accused in the department’s lawsuit of discriminating and harassing an employee on the basis of caste – a division of people based on birth or descent. That case was dismissed by an order of the Santa Clara Superior County Court last week. The employee belonged to the Dalit community, a group that is at the bottom rung of the caste system which took root and evolved in India and elsewhere in the subcontinent.
The Civil Rights Department sent a statement to The Associated Press on Monday saying the case against Cisco “remains ongoing.”
“We will continue to vigorously litigate the matter on behalf of the people of California,” it said, adding that it remains committed to “securing relief and ensuring company wide, corrective action.”
https://apnews.com/article/cisco-caste-discrimination-lawsuit-california-a82cf1b775217bd3cabca24be89c3bf8
Indians come on H1B and abuse US Citizens on their own land... Doesn't make any sense to me
It's disheartening to read all these comments about Indian caste behavior at Cisco, but I know it exists, and I also know it should not be tolerated.
Cisco has many such id--tic managers, and they are kept for the exact same reasons - to torture, torment and toxicity. These people love to PIP and get their sense of accomplishment and proud to use as part of their job responsibilities.
Start acting on your plan B.
@a5 (one more comment). Without giving too much away, our manager was definitely a very poor communicator and our team was 70% India based. Two of us were singled out. In addition, we went two management steps up (that person was also long-time Cisco; here in States, we had a history with them. Once that person realized how serious we were, we were both moved on to other teams. Our manager left on his own accord. Definitely had extremely poor skills; the manager was used to bossing around on what seemed to be based on a caste system. He did not know how to deal with US folks; and should have never been placed in that position. I think we were his test to see if he could manage US folks. He could not.
Had something very similar. Here is how to get your toxic manager to change; but mostly a good way to get away from your manager by having HR move you on. This indeed works; aka will get you moved to another team; especially once HR knows you are serious and have consulted an employment lawyer. HR is not your friend, you need to give them evidence, and have someone else on your team in same mindset. You both need to be crazy enough to want to stay at Cisco. A lawyer will engage for ~$2,500 (per person) to the point of writing letters to HR (for each of you), so you and your teammate better want to really stay at Cisco. If not, move on.
How?
- Stay calm
- Seek clarification professionally
- Avoid emotional reactions
- Document everything: emails, conversations, deadlines, changes to responsibilities
- Band with another team member, in a similar scenario, to do the same
- Both of you (you and your team member) set up independent, private meetings with HR confidentially
- Avoid detailing the issue in writing; save until the HR meeting. Even then, do not put in writing; see what HR recommends
- Record the HR meeting on a separate camera phone next to your webex PC; completely not connected to webex
- Record the manager's toxic tone on separate camera phone next to your webex PC; completely not connected to webex
- Consult an employment lawyer on recommendations to add to above, based on your current situation
This has been happening for a long time, esp promoting wrong people to director/manager roles.
They are pushing you out, because they want your job for their family/buddies..
You might be getting managed out of your job if:
- Everything you do is suddenly micromanaged.
- You're being given impossible tasks with unrealistic deadlines.
- You're excluded from important meetings.
- Your responsibilities are reduced or shifted to less desirable tasks.
- Your achievements are ignored or downplayed.
- Reasonable requests for time off, training or resources are consistently denied without valid reasons.
- Your position or similar roles are being advertised externally.
- You're penalised for minor infractions others get away with.