Thread regarding Capital One layoffs

All ADLs laid off (could be around 1100)`

I heard that all Agile Delivery Leads are laid off, could be around 1100 total. Can anyone else confirm?

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Post ID: @OP+1kKf9jXi

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Sorry to hear about this news.
Curiosity, for those transitioning your deliverables/responsibilities to other people, can you share what these are? What are examples of things you were doing that now the POs or the Eng Mgrs need to do?

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Post ID: @4pyv+1kKf9jXi

ADLs/SCRUM MASTERS were always meant to be coaches for product owners and tech staff and not full time staff on teams. The end goal is for product owners and tech staff to be self organizing and not endlessly writing stories and following up with people. Thats called AGILE.

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Post ID: @3stg+1kKf9jXi

Here's what they will figure out once this occurs. Product owners will absorb the team / project coordination/ issue resolution/ progress/reporting work done tasks. Engineers will have additional responsibility of documenting and reporting their work. Y'all will be doing more work for less money as usual. Eventually, someone will say, why am I paying engineering or senior manager dollars to do agile delivery/management tasks and taking engineering time away from engineers doing the technical work. As one of my first mentors said, just watch over time how things circle back around every 5 years.

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Post ID: @2rmh+1kKf9jXi

Engineers dont like agile teams. Just saying. Its tough love, but your overhead. People always think they are more important than what they are. The company will still run fine.

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Post ID: @2guq+1kKf9jXi

Feel bad for those who lost the jobs but 1100 working in ADL groups seems way too high for a company of 55K size.

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Post ID: @2dkd+1kKf9jXi

About time these grifters got shown the door.

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Post ID: @1kvu+1kKf9jXi

This is really going to impact engineering teams. From experience, most engineers are really bad, and unorganized when it comes to managing the simplist of tasks on JIRA, while others think they are above it. This is going to impact getting stuff out the door, while reporting progress to executives; that I can assure you. This is very sad, unfortunate, and impactful. Best that can be done, is to support those impacted as much as possible.

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Post ID: @1jrw+1kKf9jXi

"In a few years C-1 will hire a bunch of technical project managers to improve delivery outcomes."

hopefully this is the case. from what i've seen so far the development practices here are not up to snuff. there's bad practice everywhere and giant tech debt backlogs. i drank the "we're a tech company" kool-aid coming in which was a mistake. This couldn't be further from the truth. down the line, something that set off red flags for me was hearing more than once about PMs and "tech leaders" with no technical experience/background whatsoever.

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Post ID: @1pou+1kKf9jXi

Confirmed, I am one of the ADLs. In response to the first comment on this post, I get that an ADL doesn’t always seem like the most useful job, but also want it to be said that there is a lot we do behind the scenes for our teams and for the company in general that goes unrecognized. Not saying that it is the most important job here at capital one, but teams will definitely be heavily affected by this move whether it’s on a day to day level, or an org/company level. Working with my teams to go over everything I do behind the scenes to make sure this transition is as easy as possible on them, but at capital one it’s more than a scrum master role, and our daily tasks reflect that. Best of luck to everyone affected, and to those staying as well because I expect it will not be an easy transition. I have a lot of appreciation for this company, so very sad being told I have to move on, but excited for what the future holds!

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Post ID: @1cgj+1kKf9jXi

The engineers don’t see as much value in this role, everything will be fine. Sorry to the ADLs, and I think if you are going to be cut, it’s better to be cut early than late?
Development Features will still be built. In a few years C-1 will hire a bunch of technical project managers to improve delivery outcomes. Until then just a bit more work on the Eng. Mgr. However, from a strategy perspective this helps retain eng talent until the next round of layoffs at C-1 in 2H 2023. ADLs are low hanging fruit and easier to cut vs dropping team members from Eng teams.

I expect more consultants will be hired to see where to trim starting in April/May with results posted by August. If C-1 has earnings misses expect more layoffs sooner than later.

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Post ID: @1gyi+1kKf9jXi

I believe the reason for the ADL lay offs is because Cap1 wants to put all their resources into hiring all the developers that got laid off from the big tech companies. They know they'll have to pay big salaries so they did this at the expense of others.

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Post ID: @1bog+1kKf9jXi

Correct. All ADLs at Capital One are no longer employed, the entire branch is gone. From my understanding, if you are still in ADL training you maintained your employment. 6-8 month severance packages for those laid off.

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Post ID: @1kto+1kKf9jXi

Confirmed! I am was a new ADL and impacted by this. 60 days to find another role and severance package after that…

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Post ID: @1jtj+1kKf9jXi

I am an ADL at Capital One but thankfully my job family was under risk associate. My friends working as ADLs all got laid off today. I am grateful but still feeling like I’m still at risk.

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Post ID: @1eph+1kKf9jXi

Yes it's true. I am one of the affected ADL's. They are eliminating the entire agile job family so we are talking ADL's, agile program leads, agile portfolio leads, Po's etc.

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Post ID: @1poq+1kKf9jXi

Also confirmed, personally impacted. I’ll stray out of the waters of whether this job role is necessary anymore or not. But I can assure you that tech and product leads are burnt out and overworked already. Fine if you want to assume they can do the work, a completely different ballgame if you want to assume they have the time/energy/interest/motivation. I can barely schedule a 1-1 with my product owners because their calendars are slammed. Tomorrow they’re going to take on all my responsibilities and be responsible for all my deliverables.

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Post ID: @1qca+1kKf9jXi

Every agile role in Capital One has been eliminated, I was one of the people. I have never worked with more talented, smarter, amazing people than my fellow agilists at C1. An email was sent to the tech team stating that agile in the company is so advanced that the PO's and developers will be able to take on these responsibilities. SMH

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Post ID: @1akl+1kKf9jXi

I can confirm and was impacted too. Sad to hear that someone who left a comment hadn't had heard from their manager. I spent the rest of my day supporting my team emotionally both in a group setting and multiple one-on-one pull-ups. Despite the fact that I was impacted, doesn't negate my obligation to support my team. Just like when a boat sinks, the captain doesn't abandon ship...

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Post ID: @1hzh+1kKf9jXi

Confirmed, I am one got laid off via a zoom call, first time in my long career!!

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Post ID: @1lbo+1kKf9jXi

Severance is based on level, but tends to be very generous. You do have 60+ days to find a role at capital one and if you don’t find something, you’ll get the package. I was redeployed five years ago at PA level, package had five months pay, one year of cobra paid, and résumé/job search help from the career development center. I ended up finding something internally pretty quickly, but man, it was pretty tempting to take an external role and pocket a nice little nest egg. Best of luck to anyone impacted.

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Post ID: @1vku+1kKf9jXi

confirmed. i am one. have not heard anything from my manager. so im guessing theyve been laid off as well.

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Post ID: @1olv+1kKf9jXi

I can confirm. Heard it from a current employee. Apparently they think the tech leads and product owners can absorb the work

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Post ID: @1mcj+1kKf9jXi

True, over 1800 ADL let go!! Bed news for Bank and tech companies. More coming soon.

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Post ID: @1hwi+1kKf9jXi

As a former COF employee the severance is based on job level. Example Manager level gets 28 weeks

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Post ID: @1sma+1kKf9jXi

More ADL’s (Scrum Masters) all the agile overhead Release Train Engineers and Portfolio Roles well be closer to 2000 people

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Post ID: @1lsq+1kKf9jXi

I believe it’s due to inflation. The bank is trying to save money.

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Post ID: @1iar+1kKf9jXi

In general this is what happens when you have an agile community that is outdated and dying and tech on the rise. No big tech company employed agile they have their own ways.

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Post ID: @1ntk+1kKf9jXi

To the New ADL (earlier in the post)
Unfortunately ADL as become obsolete.
Now that most tech folks are aware of agile practices , most companies want EMs to take care of these agile process

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Post ID: @1zif+1kKf9jXi

I work in Product and it sounds like they want Product and Engineering to do a lot more

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Post ID: @dmh+1kKf9jXi

Confirmed. I am one of them. 60 days to find a job till april 1st. After that severance package, depending on your position.

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Post ID: @htc+1kKf9jXi

Newer ADL here - out on PTO this week and refuse to check work email or phone but I know it's gone down. Not sure how COF will manage their myriad projects/initiatives by cutting an entire job family like this...no one is ever "irreplaceable" of course but I would bet minor chaos and slower project completion timelines are a given across the enterprise.

Heard we have 60 days to find something internal or take package but haven't confirmed that. What do packages typically look like? Tenure or level driven? Does the LOB supported factor in? Would appreciate any advice from COF alum who have navigated these waters before.

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Post ID: @okn+1kKf9jXi

Confirmed by known ADL who is caught up in this layoff.

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