The managers I’ve dealt with always sound condescending, micro managing, and pushing extra hours.
Are they trained like this? Cause they su-k
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I had the best manager of my career at Oracle and then they laid him off. So many people were pi---d. Typical Oracle!
You only need to have one decent manager in your career to see just how awful the majority of them truly are. Some are just je-ks. Some truly try to represent their teams to higher levels (a core Management 101 function) and fight for resources and raises. Some start as the latter and turn into the former.
"If you don't understand leadership, go read a book or join the army."
You will not find any leadership there ... The Secretary removed anyone with any competence so they will not overshadow the top. It provides real leadership to lose to a smaller country with no airforce and no navy.
Senior Management don't like you calling out their slaves!
This comes from above. The old saying that s rolls down hill is fitting here.
No, but most become so because they never had leadership/human interaction skills anyway. It gets worse if they were either egoistic (over-achieving) or insecure engineers in the past.
It's a soft skill. Managers could try explaining the vision and motivation behind an assignment. Engineers are often not neurotypical and they get stuck without fully understanding the WHY behind a task. Clarity of thought in LE's head needs to be transmitted and not guarded like territorial risk as most in Oracle's management do, which makes figuring it to the level of detail some engineers need a big challenge.
-->> Good managers should understand this.
It’s deeply cultural. If your manager is of a certain caste and needs to prove his worth. Sorry you will get treated the way you expect. Like the employed help washing the dishes. They live in fear from above and no one has the ba--s to say no.
My advice grow appear and stand up against manager bullies. Report them to HR. Especially if you know you are leaving.
@a6 > arising from well-educated management professionals appointed by the higher-ups
ROTFL... hahaha...
what's that brown stuff on ur nose?
did your welcome package come with knee pads?
Sounds to me you are the source of the problem.
Pull your head out of your a-s.
If you don't understand leadership, go read a book or join the army.
Time employees who do the actual work to evaluate Management.
My manager was getting really angry and became so emotional when he did not receive exactly what he expected from us. He fell in more anger when sometimes we were trying to explain him what was blocking and we wanted to get some clearance and constructive feedback from him. He was literally not prepared and not skilled with communication with the team. Only one role - dispatch the task and micromanagment. After some time we learnt there is no sense to take action, to volunteer, to be creative and open minded. That was really really sad experiance.
no they are not. what are you, 5?
just come out of Oracle if you are not interested
@a6 I’m open to clear direction and feedback. The issue isn’t clarity—it’s the tone and how it’s delivered. Productive guidance is specific, respectful, and tied to outcomes. If there are concrete expectations or gaps in my work, outline them and I’ll address them. I’m focused on delivering results, not on being talked down to.
What sounds to you like condescension is clarity of idea, method, and implementation arising from well-educated management professionals appointed by the higher-ups to guide you to do your job so that important company goals and objectives are achieved. It sounds, to me, like you need someone to spell that out for you because you couldn’t figure it out on your own. I do think your work needs daily guidance and checking. Take that for what it is worth.