When I started here (EMHC), I only saw unions as a weird complication that were useful during the Industrial Revolution but didn’t serve much of a purpose anymore.
After Covid and the continuous flow of anti-worker decisions being made by a clearly out-of touch managment, the logic behind them makes a lot more sense to me. I know the likelihood of one ever being formed on campus is extremely low, but I am curious if other people have become more sympathetic to the concept.
Me American me no like unions lazy bad. Snort, Detroit, so obvious everyone else no smart. Hey, why boss make gazzillion n giv me job to India??
Interesting thread. Class war has been on for a very long time until it was broken during the Reagan, Bush, Clinton years. Clinton mostly sold out the working man. Class war tension is the only way to keep optimizing profits and livelihoods.
@6vnn TL;DR
It’s quite clear that you’re just going to keep posting anti-union arguments until you feel you’ve had the last word. So, go ahead and have the last word.
There is no way to reach someone who knowingly acts against their own interests. Best of luck to you.
This is the most entertaining thread in a long time on this site. Congrats to both sides. A public high school debate team coach would be proud of the rhetoric espoused by the pro union voices whom offer emotion with no facts to support their inneundo; and less proud of the anti union voices whom cite clear data and facts of the destructive socialistic influences that unions have provided to cause their due paying members to be held down by their leadership collecting millions at the expense of the hourly laborers. But most educated and successful private school and right to choose school educators will be proud of the anti union voices stating clear facts and data and disappointed in the rhetoric of emotion and falsehoods propagated by the pro union voices. There will never be agreement on this, or anyone changing minds, whom have lived their own truths and have seen the clear destruction across multiple industries and education platforms that unions have delivered to meet their socialist agenda. So sad to see so many ignorant people on this debate. But it is entertaining to say the least, as usually when people get so mad is that they know the truth but can’t handle the truth so the try to yell louder. Keep yelling at each other so I can read during commercials while flipping between fox and cnn.
@5rkf It’s incredibly stupid to blame the UAW for offshoring of automotive work. Great, you have friends and family in Detroit, you must be an expert. All you’re doing is regurgitating anti-union talk that you heard on cable news or from your buddy at lunch, who also heard it on cable news.
You really want to know the “ughh” in modern American life? People on the bottom of the economic ladder proudly and smugly blaming others on the same rung on that ladder instead of the multimillionaires who sold them out. Stupid certainly is as stupid does, you just don’t know what side of the stupid line you’re actually on, Gump.
@5rkf My comment is actually quite accurate.
The problem seems to be that you’re unable to reconcile being stiffed by the very people you were told you could/would become if you played their game by their rules.
Unions aren’t perfect (far from it), but they’re the best and currently the only way to check the worst abuses of the ownership class - a class so far removed from humanity that no living person who isn’t a member can ever hope to join it.
@Everyone: If you’re tired of getting dumped on, abused, and kicked-around, organize with your coworkers and push back. If baristas and forklift drivers can do it so can people at places like EM. Legitimate concerns have been raised here about everything from working conditions, to safety, to constructive termination (read: being forced out of your job), to age/race-based discrimination. All of the above are things that unions can and will help you defend yourselves against.
@5eky … your comment on what destroyed auto is ludicrous and asinine in your reply to the post on how unions affected America. You must be under 40 years olds or if not, you must be old and a union member, and you certainly must have not had relatives working in auto unions back in the day. I can fully support the post by @4oen as I actually had many relatives working in Detroit and Auburn Hills in the 80s and 90s and they all shared how they took pride to sc--w the companies and laughed all the way to the bank while making six figures back then, under union rules .. while ignoring qa/qc protocols in the assembly lines that destroyed quality metrics and drove consumers to buy Japanese cars. Forrest Gump said something like “stupid is as stupid does” … your comments reinforce that Forrest is right, and you also make no comment on how the unions have destroyed us steel and us education. Unions have only benefitted Vegas casino workers and airline workers. Your comments are really pretty ignorant and show lack of knowledge and maturity at the same time. Welcome to the americas of 2020s .. ugh!!!!
@4oen What destroyed the auto industry were the auto executives who sold out their workforces, with I might add, the help of the Reagan administration, who flat out said they weren’t going to enforce existing labor laws, appointed anti-union judges, and engaged in widespread union-busting.
The unions fought this with everything they had - they’re the only reason that everything wasn’t sent overseas.
If you work for a living and you’re anti-union, I really don’t know what to say to you.
Unions - A History Lesson
Detroit Auto Workers Union = Destruction of the US Auto Manufacturer superiority and offshoring to Japan as the leaders
US Steel Workers Union = Destruction of US Steel industry superiority and offshoring to Asia as the leaders
US Teachers Union = Destruction of US education and intellectual superiority and now beholding to Asia including China and India
Unions are good at destroying innovation and superiority in everything they touch and promote everyone to perform at the lowest common denominator.
That is the history of minions in the USA.
Oh the problem is much bigger than that. Maybe in past years but the issues have gotten much worse
@1alv+1mGOmjDH BRCP machinery has always ben broken you have 2 spend all your time on main trane and not supporting units making $$$ or you're passed over in ranking
It definitely has changed my mind. Initially I trusted Exxon but after seeing their behavior the last 5 years we need a strong union to fight and whistle blow. We need to expand unions into engineering and machinery Sorry xom. You brought this on yourself
ILEU is pretty much useless , and management thinks we were given a great raise 🤡, no break throughs coming from this site ….only dead wood left…gulf cost bound…..
European EM employee here. I know very well how useful unions are. They can't prevent the sh*t hitting the fan, but at least they make the cleaning less painful.
That's why overall we got decent separation packages in the 2021 lay-off that would never had been granted otherwise.
@OP They’re against unions because unionizing would mean that other people would get the same protections that they would get for themselves.
What they really want is to be the douche in the c-suite “trickling down” on everyone else. This goes back to the 1980s, when most of the REs foaming about how they’re being mistreated formed their identities around Reaganism. Now they’re on the dirty end of the corporate stick and they don’t know how to deal with it.
Unions are a source of massive waste that coincidentally only benefits its leaders. Quit and find a less corrosive company.
Unions are good when they're not run by pu$$ies, and its members aren't pu$$ies.
Unfortunately, there's too many of the above working at EM.
Nope. Sold us out
Unions = Bad + 1
Management will continue to claw back raises and benefits anytime they can. Old timers just need to compare how things were 20 yrs ago vs now. Pretty soon we will all be contractors in a gig economy.
No. They're corrupt political organizations and that's all they've been for decades. The state of education in this country (NEA) proves it.