Thread regarding Avaya layoffs

Channel Spend vs R&D/Engineering

It's bizarro world at Avaya.

Channel gets to spend and entertain via marketing dollars. Elton John concerts. Partner activities like NASCAR. Baseball games. Waterfront dining. It's endless.

Lipstick on a Pig!
Why don't you fix the pig instead?

And the marketing people are LYING to you about attendance at most of these Avaya run events. If they order food for 30, and 7 show up they tell you 32 showed up. It's such a joke!

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India Hiring!

https://twitter.com/SciShowEngineer/status/1669955289708363776?s=20

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Post ID: @9eqf+1n1H753f

LIPSTICK ON A PIG

It is all Lipstick. Exec appointments prove it. Noise until the next go-public where these new Execs get equity and we all are screwed.
Curious if the same brainless monkeys who believed we'd never go bankruptcy path still believe the BS story from the top? How can anyone miss the very clear and obvious realities. It's about a handful of people, and Apollo/Brigade getting rich off of our backs.

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Post ID: @8yxw+1n1H753f

Work harder Turkeys.

AM's bonus is due soon enough, a few cool million.

DPTW hahahahahaha.

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Post ID: @6ixj+1n1H753f

They managed experiences for over 60,000 people in one place all at the same time? Can you imagine being at work for that? They are dedicated and passionate. And clearly qualified if they managed communications for 60,000 people all at once. We are blessed to have that depth of communications technology expertise.

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Post ID: @5pzq+1n1H753f

This is familiar

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn9P4AqHLLS/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

Beer tub promo events
Exteme tall tales and reinvention. Just WOW.

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Post ID: @5luw+1n1H753f

You can say this post has gone full circle.
Avaya is going all in believing the channel is the answer to everything. (Note CEO declaring "Channel never left us")
It's a failed strategy because the Channel can't force clients to not rip out Avaya. Clients have CFOs they need to answer to, and most CFO:s have rules against a vendor who has declared BK 2x in 6 years. Especially the Big Avaya bread and butter clients.
The Avaya channel group is foolishly taking a victory lap as if their wasteful spending equals success. The real attrition rate will show itself very soon. And no one can celebrate anything.

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Post ID: @4ter+1n1H753f

@2deu+1n1H753f - Don't we have policies to deal with that? Indeed, after all the kerfuffle with the BK, discretionary spending should be high on anyone's hit list. I cannot believe that people don't understand the money injected was to get us through the forecasted drop in sales, not for luxuries. It's a total FU to the staff of Avaya, to see these lunatics spending money like it's going out of fashion, whilst some of us are trying to make the customer's, and the staff's lives better.

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Post ID: @3lwg+1n1H753f

Oh, the Mitel hires. The tackiest, most unrefined bunch. Poor etiquette. Totally lack enterprise level professionalism. SMB and tacky. Yet they all know how to attend Elton John and all other expense account
events. They all still actively traveled during BK for these events. They beieve their just job(s) to be entertainment leaders.

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Post ID: @2uie+1n1H753f

In fact, it was one of the cloudBDMs who was so prolific with their AMEX buying bottles of champagne, buying top end shwag for partners who were doing nothing for Avaya, etc.

All approved by their boss, who conveniently followed them in from Mitel. They finally got caught trying to expense vehicle upgrades and costs associated with their nanny and children accompanying them on business travel.

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Post ID: @2deu+1n1H753f

Most of the spend you all reference (the events, the concerts, ballgames, etc) actually comes from the channel sales org, not marketing. MDF is a major pain in the a-s to get and it comes with a million strings.

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Post ID: @2ugy+1n1H753f

"get a job as a CEO, make those tough business decisions, and then you may have credibility"

This is the funniest thing I've ever read. It's as if this person has never heard of Avaya. CEO=Credibility? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
The one very black and white fact that is universally known is No Avaya CEO has credibility KK. JC. AM. Not a one!

Also, few CEOs have the qualifications to do any of their direct reports jobs.
Wow. The ignorance is thick.

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Post ID: @2nyd+1n1H753f

The blind followers are alive and well!

Who are these people who believe Avaya

  • A) has a coehisve portfolio that will catapult immediate success, or;
  • B) That the Channel Partners are willing to defend Avaya to clients who insist on departing?

The only "transactions" are end user clients possibly changing service partners. Not because they are Team Avaya. Just to show some movement to distract from reality until they can leave.

Agree -- I don't understand how there appears to be endless money in marketing when there is nothing for product. Galway is disappointing.

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Post ID: @2bul+1n1H753f

Whoever wrote the previous post should get a job as a CEO, make those tough business decisions, and then you may have credibility. But I guess you aren’t qualified.

This post does NOT read "stop channel sales model and go 100% direct".

This post reads "Channel Marketing Spend is just throwing money in the wind, as no Baseball Game is going to change Avaya product offering....so why not stop the promotional waste and shift money to invest properly in Product"

Not to mention marketing folks lying about ROI and fasley reporting attendance so they can make their BS KPIs

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Post ID: @2plu+1n1H753f

This post does NOT read "stop channel sales model and go 100% direct".

This post reads "Channel Marketing Spend is just throwing money in the wind, as no Baseball Game is going to change Avaya product offering....so why not stop the promotional waste and shift money to invest properly in Product"

Not to mention marketing folks lying about ROI and fasley reporting attendance so they can make their BS KPIs

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Post ID: @1kfn+1n1H753f

So you want to go back to a failed direct sales model where Avaya pays hundreds of thousands per employee with little to no return on investment. Channel sales people are 100% straight commission. It’s a no brainer which business model is better financially for Avaya.

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