Thread regarding SAS Institute layoffs

SAS disputes layoff ‘numbers and speculations,’ says are ‘not accurate’

https://wraltechwire.com/2023/07/17/sas-disputes-layoff-numbers-and-speculations-says-are-not-accurate/

Seems simple to me. If the numbers are inaccurate just post the real numbers. Easy to put that one to rest. My guess is they total (for the year) more than 1%.

I also shake my head at the part where "employees are given opportunities to apply for open positions if their current roles might be eliminated". That's a play right out of the IBM (and others) play book. Many test positions were just eliminated, and a quick look at the jobs site lists 1 open test position in Pune India.

The fact of the matter is, we're adults. The news might be tough to swallow, but at least transparency would be better than half-lies. (For the record I mostly mean internal transparency first, the one where current employees live in fear since they don't know why/when/who is next.

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IBM hasn’t been innovators of much in the last 30 years but they created the tech stealth layoffs! All remain calm… we just layed off your co-workers and dumped more work on you with no raises! IBMers have lived it the last 30 years. Sorry others are now living it too!!

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An unpublicized tidbit that few know about:

The Public Relations folks have a very special benefit not shared by other employees. Every 7 years, they are entitled to receive a company-sponsored rhinoplasty procedure with zero deductible. This is to reverse the disfigurement that occurs after years of lying. Each little lie builds up a tiny extra layer of cartilage. After about 7 years, it's begins to become apparent. So, the PR folks take some sick leave, get that secret procedure done, and continue doing what they do best. For them, SAS truly is a great place to work!

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I remember that very projection/presentation from the then CRO.

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Post ID: @szs+1nEjXULq

SAS is not the company it once was. I remember an internal presentation several years ago by a senior sales executive who presented a 5-10 year growth plan for SAS and showed us heading towards a cliff. His projection is proving true. SAS has and is struggling with profitability. SAS has been getting rid of their older, more senior employees in an attempt to improve numbers. Early retirement programs were offered twice. When that wasn't enough, they began doing quiet layoffs/firings. Call it what you want but employees with tenure have been targeted and not given a choice but to leave. The recent cuts in testing continue to show that a high number of the people they are forcing out are female as well. They definitely are not telling the whole truth of what is happening. Employees and customers should be concerned. The current leadership team at SAS has tanked the culture and has employees looking for opportunities elsewhere in fear that SAS won't be around for much longer.

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Post ID: @jfz+1nEjXULq

SAS assertions are true, but confusing because of their overwhelmingly positive spin. Your comment helps clarify.

SAS asserts that the people affected total "approximately 1% this year".

That leaves wiggle room. The layoff could reach 1.5%, and still be "approximately 1%".

Also, SAS global offices are controlled by local labor laws. You can't lay off people in Europe as fast as you can in America. So most of those 2% will be affected NEXT year, not THIS year.

Finally, layoffs always inspire a few people to leave on their own -- which, from SAS' viewpoint, would be just fine.

Add it all up, and SAS could easily reduce headcount by 5% or more over the next two years.

However -- if that's the plan, nobody would say it publicly.

Instead, they'd say something like "approximately 1% this year".

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Post ID: @wag+1nEjXULq

SAS assertions are false. Alone, the 250 impacted by closing global offices (as confirmed by Shannon Heath) is 2% of the work force. Add the 100s in the Americas…simple math puts that st well over 1%. So sad to see SAS joining the ranks of slimy corporate tactic.

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