I am a Ford employee. I've been driving Ford my entire life, but I can guarantee you I will never buy an EV. In fact, the more Ford turns to EVs, the bigger the chance I'll turn to another manufacturer I'll know is fully devoted to making the kind of cars I want to drive instead of giving all of its attention to EVs. I'm not the only one who feels this way and I think Ford should think about what kind of future it's facing if it continues on this path.
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The narrative to sell EVs is false! It was pushed in 2008 time frame with Obama and now it is pushed again. Artificially keeping gas prices high won’t do it. We had $4.00. You want EV customers? Outlaw gas and diesel tomorrow. They still won’t buy EVs why?
A lot of negativity around EVs on this forum. I wonder if you all will still be pro ICE vehicles when the energy sector has a breakthrough towards free energy. Imagine being able to drive hundreds of miles for a couple bucks.
I might buy an electric golf cart, but electric vehicle nope. And a big no on a Ford vehicle as well.
For me time is money. I don’t have time to spend at the Ford service center getting constant warrantee work and repairs done. I don’t have time to hunt for functioning charging stations that accommodate a truck and trailer. I don’t have time to sit and wait on charging.
Ford is out of their ever loving mind thinking customers will pay 80k-100k for a EV truck that isn’t really a truck. I saw a number of green MSRP sticker trucks on the dealer lots, so you know the person who ordered the truck rejected it when it arrived at the dealership. Stock trucks have blue MSRP window stickers.
@azf Thanks for the coherent message. I think you've explained my feelings very well. Why are we making EV trucks and Hummers? In the current state, EVs are great city cars. Let's use that to drive the scaling out of the infrastructure instead of trying to make an EV for everyone and every circumstance.
Leave ICE-only vehicles to those who need it (not the posers), and bring on hybrids and PHEVs for the masses.
A full conversion to EV will be upon us much faster than you realize. US elected officials is already limiting the sale of new ICE vehicles.
But the good news is that people who feel like you won't have to purchase an EV if you don't want to. Frankly, vehicle ownership is becoming an aspirational purchase anyway.
These people will be forced to use use ride sharing services or public transportation. Or live close enough to their employer that they can walk or bike to work. This will all help to reduce our harmful impact to climate change as well as free up much of the road congestion that makes traffic such a problem today.
Private transportation breeds “dangerous” thoughts of self-governance. So, the serfs must not have access to the privilege. It’s 15 -minute cities and apartment complexes the size of cities (next to the factories) for us!
First, the infrastructure for ICE vehicles will be dismantled and ostensibly replaced by EVs. Then they will “realize” that EVs will not save the planet for the elite either, so they will have to go to.
The way around this is to reject
The paradigm that the planet needs to be saved from man.
While I believe that BEVs usage can be applied in limited cases, I firmly believe we are not there yet. Even worse, we are not thinking properly about how to use them, since we keep using the same paradigm of transportation.
Oil is a limited commodity. At one point, we'll have to move away from it, especially when the demand will double or triple the availability, making the oil prices rise dramatically, but without reaching the Mad Max levels of dystopia (One can only hope we don't get there). Then, and only then, we'll change the paradigm we have in America for one with closer resemblance to Europe's. Meaning more public transit, since it is cheaper per capita than having each person driving around.
BEVs in the future could be used for commuting, groceries and other short range trips, particularly when the future battery improvements will allow a not so heavy battery to power the vehicle. Long trips will be made by electrical trains, since electricity can be produced from multiple sources. Goods will be transported also by electrical trains and diesel ships, with limited flying options.
Trying to accommodate bigger and bigger batteries into the current vehicles, just to boost the range, is stupid, because BEVs cannot compete with ICE. The same way an ant can lift 5,000 its body weight, but if the ant would be the size of an elephant won't be able to move itself, the bigger the battery, the higher will be the percentage of the vehicle curb weight dedicated to the battery, plus a worsening of other issues like thermal runaway, electrical current and temperature control, mechanical strength and security, etc.
Therefore, BEVs should have smaller and more efficient batteries, with an infrastructure able to rapidly recharged or swapped them, before we can even consider acceptance levels for the new technology higher than 10% of the population. However, we have the mentally insane, or mentally handicapped, running so many state and federal government agencies, and pushing laws to ban ICE vehicles (against the market laws), that there is now a public backlash against BEVs, which can delay even more the adoption of the technology.
While I am open to the possibility to drive an EV, or to own one, I don't think the right technology will be ready in the next 50 years. Tesla is just toys for rich people or highly paid professionals, A.K.A, the top 10% earners of the population. Which is fine for now, since they can pay for the research and development of better batteries. Expecting an unproven and expensive technology to be deployed massively, is like exploring the Titanic in the OceanGate's Titan sub.
OP should screenshot this comment and save it someplace they can revisit in 10-20 years. Weird for engineers to say they’ll NEVER do something, as if things will never improve from the limitations of today.
EVs suck.
I'm in the second half of my life and I'll go to my grave driving ICEs. Even if I end up having to refine my own fuel.
Ford will stop making/pushing EV’s when the government funding dries up. BF and JF can’t resist the free money to change the company and product offerings. They should pray on their knees every night that the administration won’t change in 2024 or it’s game over for Ford.
The best analogy I can think of to the problem with EVs is the cordless drill. Cars are not cell phones. You can’t let them sit for hours recharging. It wasn’t until some genius realized that cordless drills needed replaceable batteries that they became really practical tools. The first carmaker that designs a car with a replaceable battery will be the winner.
Unfortunately, Ford management is not willing to use the innovation its employees are capable of. They prefer to just follow and copy others.
So you want to know if Ford is going to downsize? Watch what GM does.
EV makes sense in many cases. I’d love an EV for daily commute but prefer ICE for long drives. At least for now I m not open to the concept where my vehicle dictates when to take a break.
Eventually Elon will sell parts it engineers to other companies. First they sell the charging port, then another part, app, etc. elon is clever that way.
EV's might not be the right vehicles for many people now but overtime, that will change. Batteries and range will improve. Charging stations will become more plentiful and charging time will decrease.
An EV is not a good choice for me now but that doesn't mean it will never be a good choice.
Remember early cell phones? The were bulky and your would pay a ton for x number of minutes. Be open minded about the future of EV's.