Seems like we are losing the good ones more than the ones that need (and probably want) to go.
Thoughts?
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I worked in support for Dell 25 years ago before joining EMC. The difference between Dell and EMC support is as clear as night and day. Dell are total amateurs and clueless. There is no comparison and it was so frustrating to work under the Dell culture which slowly trickled down the ranks. The writing was on the wall even before Covid with everyone just hanging around only doing so for the WFR windfall.
@anv+1oFqQZEW from 1990 - I never got let go ...
After a layoff, it's common to have a brain drain, where the marketable folks find other positions, leaving the people who failed to be hired elsewhere.
There is no straight forward answer to this question.. in my area it is 100% up to the manager. Some managers stack rank based on performance (as they should) and some based on their buddies and the buddies of their buddies. I've seen a very high preforming sme get let go last Feb because of the mistake of calling out management errors during a call - and I've seen my team and other teams let the weakest links go .. it's not going to be the same accross Dell. I can tell you I have not seen any real examples in my area of race, age or gender being a factor.
3kpp+1oFqQZEW you think ethical behavior violating Dell policies dont need any fixing ?
Interesting!
"Comments asking people to leave Dell instead of fixing the concerning ethical behavior is shocking."
hahah. love the feigned martyr act. And why would you want to fix ethical behaviour?
Comments asking people to leave Dell instead of fixing the concerning ethical behavior is shocking.
@2nmy+1oFqQZEW you seem to be very happy with status quo and are keen to silence any voice that attempts to show the real events at Dell.
We need more like you who adheres to Dell values. I hope you continue to suppress the truth. Are you one of Dell " rockstars" ?
@2rnh+1oFqQZEW I hope you no longer work for Dell with as much time as you spend on here complaining about "EMC", the "old white men", "politics", etc. Seems like you spend every waking hour of every day complaining.
Leave if it su-ks that much. Go where the grass is greener. That's what adults do when they get fed up
If the EMC guys think they are THE smartest in the team due to their 65 yr age, then please also take the blame when your decisions fail and the product doesnt meet the AOP requirements. A 65 yr old should make more sound judgement than a 35 yr old.
EMC guys at i10 cant claim credit to good results, while blaming the failure at the junior coworkers. They think if product fails the VP will be replaced and when deliverables fail the junior coworker can be wfr. Dell needs to clean up the underlying team fully.
When Dell protects such cancer within the team, they will always ki-l new talent.
That's been my impression of TX dell as well.
lots of talkers and hacks.
not much talent compared to west and east coast
@2ltl+1oFqQZEW you Emc guys ensure anyone with talent is wfr. Thanks to your politics no one hired on merit can work for Dell . Only people belonging to your EMC gang, worshipping you and supporting your lies can be part of your team.
Dell had no future without EMC. Do you really think any one with any real talent lives in Texas? Come on…get real.
@1esm+1oFqQZEW, issue is that your manager have nothing to say unfortunately.
I definitely think they do. Last year I was not on any sort of fire drill/ burning projects. My relationship with my manager was great and he thought i was a great performer! Now as I am executing a big project, its always stressful & I have never worried about getting laid off as much as i worry now.
Golden handcuffs ensure EMEA management can shuffle from team to team when denuded. Make nó mistake they will be the last to turn the lights out
Yes
Work you out of the position you’re already in.
Called “silent firing”
First time I was laid off was back in about 1988. They wanted us to move from DC to Mass. 1 out of 40 took the offer.
The next time was when they shutdown our division. We all got laid off.
The next time was when the whole company was sold and I didn't want to drive 80 miles each way to the new office.
The next time was when they sold our division and I wasn't in a direct engineering position and my job overlapped with people they already had.
Differs. It's probably different in different areas/regions. Here I'd say it was 70/30. 70% performers, 30% who could have done better.
The EMC folks have run down the place in the past few years unfortunately.
People have been hired based on friendship and not skills. With no deliverables and high salary, when the executive asks for "who is doing what" the boss and his friend plot to wfr the coworker who focuses on his task. Then they manufacture evidence and then set the ball rolling for the coworker to be wfr so that the friend can get to show the work done as his own.
This is the real fact at Dell.
The real "performance" is still not there. There is a perception of performance.
Dell leadership who came from EMC and managed to keep their high paying jobs by playing politics for decades, believe in "perception management".
They have come to believe that if perception is managed then the facts/numbers and reality doesnt matter.
We need to see if Dell continues to reward these genius leadership while losing market share and revenue.
no. you just think you're a high performer. If you were why would you be at dell??
imagine thinking high performer and dell in the same sentence.