Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

“I sit next to strangers every damn time i go to the office. Its not like I get to seat with my team.”
This attitude doesn’t meet the intent of collaboration. You should be getting to know your local team in addition to your assigned team.

I sit next to strangers every damn time i go to the office. Its not like I get to seat with my team. Nope, Sandeep is taking calls has nothing to do with me, but he talks loud so im involved. Next day, another guy from the IT, on and on and on. My team is scattered all over the hubs. We never see each other in person. Just some random strangers with bad habits.

Post from TheLayoff.com

I am glad you do to . . . at least you are not getting my tax dollars.

"However, the frequent point of being pi---d, shocked, or whatever about not being guaranteed forever employment, never will be laid off, etc. is a d-mb position. Of course, there are no guarantees. You are unclear in your thinking to expect it. No company would make such a guarantee."

But this is the same company that makes you pay back tuition if you leave if you used tuition reimbursement for a degree or certificate. So they want it both ways. If the company spends money on you, you guarantee to stay or pay it back. But if you spend money on a move, there is no obligation to you. Its a double standard.

And seriously, as much as I don't like RTO and the office consolidation, if there any real chance of local teams and in person collaboration, it would make sense. But there's no plan for that. For crying out loud, my leadership (and I use that term very very loosely) is in Israel. My development team is in all 4 of the ATS hubs. There's no face to face. Every meeting is still going to be on Teams. Nothing is going to change except Stankey gets to pretend he's the happy little tyrant that gets his way, with Legg sitting in front of him licking his boots.

If you live in your parents basement then move. You will make your parents happy.

Literally only fools will move. Getting a new job with a company that actually cares is a 180 from AT&T. Y’all just don’t know until you leave.

Glad I have a union contract.

No bankruptcy for T but…..the business as we knew it is gone forever. Employee count will be below 80k in 18 months. Benefits will continue to be taken. The plan is transparent. More contractors and vendors to work behind the curtain. This drives enormous costs out of the business and helps T drive the debt down and sell off the parts that don’t produce margin. This is not new, everything leadership has done over the last 5 years , if you’ve been watching, matches this strategy exactly.

AT&T will not be going bankrupt anytime soon
That only matters to shareholders and bond holders. AT&T will continue to operate, so it will still need workers, bankruptcy or no bankruptcy.

@yyu+1qOv7FVw,

This is simply not true. AT&T will not be going bankrupt anytime soon. Stop talking out of your rear.

I've seen teams in Atlanta assigned to three different buildings across the city. I'm not sure how folks relocating on these teams are supposed to effectively "collaborate" when teammates aren't in the same building. It is like leadership is even more mentally challenged than they sound.

“I think you’re trying to imply they don’t actually want them to move, if that’s the case then they need to just say that. I agree all this has been really terrible and they should have just done performance based layoffs and let people stay and live where they want.

Having everyone co-located really doesn’t bring much of a benefit in practice studies show, and most teams won’t ever leverage it.

I have teams that are co-located in Dallas and Atlanta and they still just meet on teams. It’s a waste of time.”

This absolutely has been done as a way to lay people off without having to report it as a layoff. Stankey said at the outset the company expected lose 15,000 people.

Unless all of the corporate teams are basically in the same building, and even then it’s not perfect, there will be remote collaboration. This insistence that everyone has to be in specific places three days a week or whatever is crazy when we are still working ‘remotely’ even when we are in those offices. He-l AT&T practically invented remote connectivity with the telephone. We should use what we built.

• “This is exactly what T is doing and explains why so few are receiving relo funds.”

I think you’re trying to imply they don’t actually want them to move, if that’s the case then they need to just say that. I agree all this has been really terrible and they should have just done performance based layoffs and let people stay and live where they want.

Having everyone co-located really doesn’t bring much of a benefit in practice studies show, and most teams won’t ever leverage it.

I have teams that are co-located in Dallas and Atlanta and they still just meet on teams. It’s a waste of time.

“You want skilled knowledge workers making multiple 6 figures to move?
Pay them to move.”
This is exactly what T is doing and explains why so few are receiving relo funds.

Shouldn't the CWA ride in on a white horse and save my job since I have paid union dues for over 24 years?

“ Get out of the woke DEI ATT while you can!”

What is ‘woke’ about corporate greed and mass layoffs? A misguided attempt at relevance

D-mbest post of the day:
“ You come to office to work or stay home in Idaho and Wisconsin and Minnesota and Florida and some other irrelevant location and take care of laundry, babies, watch Days of our Lives and cook meatloaf. Choice is yours.”

Everyone knows Days of Our Lives is streamed on Peacock and can be watched at any time. So there ! You don’t need to be home during the day.

• “Back in the day, between 25-33% would move, and that was with relocation payments. No relo - no dice.”

This.
You want skilled knowledge workers making multiple 6 figures to move?
Pay them to move.

Other companies pay for people to move, if you’re lucky enough to find a skilled knowledge worker that fits your bill, can perform, and is willing to relocate, then pay them to relocate because the competition will instead.

Most knowledge workers only worked for AT&T BECAUSE they hired remote and for lower cost of living areas (STL) and paid well, take away that benefit and I’ll go work at Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, or a host of other companies that offer actual generous relocation packages and move to work there.

If I’m moving, then I’m going to get paid to move, and accept the highest paying job wanting me to move to the best area that fits me.

• “There are people that cross the borders to work in America. On foot. Yet, when AT&T offers full employment at good salary levels and benefits to employees and asks them to move to continue their career in Atlanta or Dallas (or other hubs), employees act like the company owes them something.** AT&T DOES NOT OWE YOU ANYTHING **You come to office to work or stay home in Idaho and Wisconsin and Minnesota and Florida and some other irrelevant location and take care of laundry, babies, watch Days of our Lives and cook meatloaf. Choice is yours.”

You’re a dum dum.
Other companies offer relocation packages when they hire you, or ask you to move.
I got one from AT&T when I was hired, I was offered one to move to Seattle for Amazon.
Lots of companies are also still hiring remote.

It’s about perspective and options, I’m not someone crossing the border with no education or experience, and I’m not in a field where relocation packages aren’t a thing, I have options, and I expect AT&T to provide the same competitive options other employers provide, or else I walk.
It’s as simple as that.
It’s about knowing your worth in the economy and leveraging your value.

If you aren’t leveraging that then it explains why you probably don’t make multiple 6-figures a year, being overly loyal to a faceless corporation instead of maxing your TC.

“I know of two people who moved from STL to Dallas in wave one, only to be laid off before Christmas. It’s a bad idea all around, don’t move”

Wave 1 did NOT include Legg org Stl -> Dallas

If fact the “wave” usage/term seems to only be in use under the Legg org so I’m a bit puzzled to what org these employees were under?

"There are people that cross the borders to work in America. On foot."

They aren't going to work at AT&T pal, that's for sure. 😂

Back in the day, between 25-33% would move, and that was with relocation payments. No relo - no dice.

ATT doesn't value experience or level of education, only who you know or which of your relatives used to work for ATT! Get out of the woke DEI ATT while you can!

My job, my choice.

Too bad y'all don't have a union contract.

agree with the OP. company trying to make you feel important and wanting you to move but it is nothing but lies.

att is nothing but a transnational corporation that are nothing but WEF puppets along with our government.

Go look up how many so called individual contributors live all around the country and see what department they are in and that will tell everything.

att and their sc-mbag management has different goals than what they tell the people who are actually trying serve the customers.

sick of att aggressive sales people who ask who my carrier is when I walk by them in retail stores. love telling att is a sc-mbag company and would never buy anything from them. I then suggest they find a new employer.

att is a cesspool along with their so called leadership.

don't move for this company and part ways and work for a normal company. never heard the word surplus or individual contributor since I left the cesspool and got three promotions since I left which is more than I got at att because I guess I wasn't a individual contributor su-k up.

@eli+1qOv7FVw you are wrong, there are many companies that relo their employees with a bonus & guarantee of employment for x amount of years. T is too cheap to do that & don't give a * about their employees.

I wouldn't move for ATT. I don't trust them.

As long as you understand NOT to trust what T leadership tells you, you will be in good shape.

Most probably agree that those having to make a decision to relocate or lose their job is a tough situation.

However, the frequent point of being pi---d, shocked, or whatever about not being guaranteed forever employment, never will be laid off, etc. is a d-mb position. Of course, there are no guarantees. You are unclear in your thinking to expect it. No company would make such a guarantee.

This is an individual decision. Do not make blanket decisions for others Relocation is the right choice for me.

Absolutely agree. The goal is to break the company up into pieces and sell it off… bit by bit… the part that is left will be saddled with debt and go into bankruptcy. Make no mistake… ATT is in a death spiral… thanks Stankey, Stephenson and Stevens… your arrogance ki-led a blue chip…