If you get put on a PIP and are retirement eligible, can you take the severence and then file for retirement?
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A PIP, especially with HR's help are ALWAYS deliberately written so the Employee fails.
I guess, you have an option of leaving quietly or scorched earth policy. I chose the later, and more likely you may choose the former. But either way, very credible advise is needed.
I think it depends on your life situation. As you are old enough for retirement, maybe it is best to ask a lawyer and negotiate a way out without burning down everything
But I am much younger, so my policy is suing everyone involved with PIP (manager, higher manager, HRs, even company consul is not spared, I am going after his license too. I want to make him jobless too, this is the cost of being involved with all this mess) and make sure everyone is truly terrified and scared. Yes, not only employment lawsuits, civil lawsuits too for deformation and conspiracy, because now I have all the made-up excuses for PIP. It is revenge time for me now, and I have no we-pons withheld, I will unleash all. 20 lawsuits are in the pipeline, it would be a great fireworks to watch.
But most likely this isn't a way how you want to look back at a company where you spent a big chunk of your life, unless, you are like me, existing for revenge and hate.
If you get put on a PIP, it's better just to leave. They don't expect you to pull through, basically you can take that as a 90 day or so notice that you're going to be fired. So I guess that like telling you they are firing you without telling you they are firing you.
If your job was eliminated or you were let go unemployment is allowed. You must wait out any severance time period or the company may deny it.
I was let go Aug22 2022 and applied for unemployment in March 2023 and by the time Jun1 rolled around and my 9 months was up I had already received my first check. I am not sure how the lump sum of severance is treated vs severance is paid out over a certain time line. I figured Ford was so busy with everything that they would not catch it in time to deny it. 20 weeks of payments was nice.
Ford was stupid for firing all of us.. They could have asked and a bunch would have taken a package. Instead, I got 9 months pay and health benefits plus unemployment. Plus we left on bad terms with no continuation or hand off of the work I was doing. I could have been working on the engine that runs on water and they would not have cared.
They could have put us all in a Temp Pool and called on us to help the transition. There are so many things that could have been different. Now they are in the $hitter and good luck digging out.
Sound good to me. I am taking it immediately.
The PIP now has the option of taking severance. You can take that option and then start the retirement process.
Getting put on a PIP is just the first step to being fired. You will go through a harsh time while on the PIP. At the end of it, even if you personally feel you did everything stated in the PIP, your boss may say otherwise and if not, the boss you can count on the HR knucklehead stating you failed meeting the PIP and are going to be fired. Most Companies would appeal Unemployment benefits being offered to an employee they fired.
Severance is not automatic. If you get let go they usually give you some pocket money in exchange for not pursuing legal action about your dismissal.
The dismissal can trigger retirement... Lump Sum or Pensions decisions are up to you. I think you can delay them. Go thru the retirement calculator and see if there is any benefit to delaying them.
Last Aug22 is was 9month of pay for +20 yrs.