So they finally require SEs to have at least CCNP certification, and a bunch of babies are crying about it. If you can’t pass CCNP, you probably shouldn’t be working for Cisco. Grow up!
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@6fqm+1rTVBPSC
Actually, specialists f**ked our deal, my SE saved it!
Specialists close deals.
Portfolio sellers bring doughnuts.
least they dont have to pass DEVNET to keep their job, stupid idea, good thing the vp who mandated this is out with his boss MM, it ruined our lifes and productivity to drop everything and study for a cert that should only be held by low level engineers who deploy equipment.
Low test
Ugly
Soy boy
Delegate 80 percent of the work to your specialist
Claim ignorance as too many tech groups
yes of course every SE/SA should have CCNP with real encouragement and support to go for CCIE. Even if you aren't selling routing. The high end certs teach how to solve problems, find information, understand technology and most importantly - humility.
For some reason, they always go back to India for at least a month once a year and most of them doesn't even submit PTO.
Since we can work from anywhere there is an Internet connection, who's to say they're not working while in India that month?
I've taken several extended vacations to see family. I'll take PTO and/or travel on the weekend to get there or get back, then work 3-4 days at my family's place and enjoy nights and weekends doing fun things, and take 1-2 days of PTO for the days where we might be away all day visiting some local attraction. I might spend 4-5 weeks at home and only burn 5-10 days of PTO. It all really depends on how much work I had to not do/couldn't get done while I was home that week.
I know people who've gone to Vegas, Florida beaches, etc. and didn't use PTO for the whole time they're there. Let the wife and kids play in the sand during the day while you work from the hotel balcony or by the pool, and have fun at night. Use a day of PTO to play a round of golf. It's not all Indians who work the PTO/hybrid work system.
@1bgm+1rTVBPSC - there's another abuse of the system these Indians normally do and can always get away with. For some reason, they always go back to India for at least a month once a year and most of them doesn't even submit PTO. Its like a ritual for them. One of them even admitted to me that they don't submit PTO whenever they go back to India, I was in shocked. Then I saw that the manager is also Indian and probably doing the same thing so that makes a lot of sense.
What if this requirement drives the percent of male SEs higher. Give it just two minutes of thought.....this is based solely on merit. I can see this being an oh sh-t moment for some.
@1bgm+1rTVBPSC
“ That is a prejudice and discriminate practice corporate refuses to address… All it does is water down the potential to attracting college grads and experienced engineers while giving Indian's a false sense of technical superiority.”
In this context, it’s “discrimination “ not discriminate.
Potential “for”, not potential “to”. In Indian education system, English as a language is taught very thoroughly with huge emphasis on grammar. Americans, before they complain about Indians taking their jobs, need to learn their own mother tongue. That’s just an example of why Indians beat us in our own home territory . We demand entitlement to our jobs by virtue of our citizenship. Indians come and take those because they work harder at everything, happy to work longer hours and are competitive by nature. Either you shape up or ship out. That is corporate America.
Cisco used to be my dream job. While I was the in TAC I noticed that there was a very large Indian pool of engineers and managers. I have seen well deserving engineers passed over for promotions by Indian managers because they take care of their own. Also they have a scam that has been ongoing. They recognize each other for awards. Apoo will recoginze Apeep for a job well done. Weeks later, Apeep turns around and do the same for Apoo. Both receive discounts on plane tickets they use to fly home to India. Very few, if any, engineers from other ethnic backgrounds are represented with awards or recognition as much as Indian engineers. Especially at American offices. That is a prejudice and discriminate practice corporate refuses to address. Why? For cheap labor. They would rather sponsor H1 visa's for engineers from out of the country and pay lower salaries than what it would cost to have solely American talent. All it does is water down the potential to attracting college grads and experienced engineers while giving Indian's a false sense of technical superiority. If you think all this sounds racist, it is because that is the practice by Cisco corporate.
At Cisco it is not what you know. It is who you know. That is if you aren't Indian.
I don't work for Cisco but I own stock. I think i should sell my shares ....what a bunch of cry babies
I met a lot of engineers at Cisco who barely know networking but for some reason they manage to become Technical Leader or more. The trick is you just have to be Indian...
I was clearly there long before you and it wasn't just a lack of knowledge of networking, but systems, software, hardware, engineering, computer science, programming, languages, operating systems, etc... and all ethnicities were represented, including shiny white people. Everyone should be happy! You should now all have an A in equity through your shared incompetence!
let's be real, forget about the CCNP 70% of engineers at Cisco can't even pass the CCNA. I met a lot of engineers at Cisco who barely know networking but for some reason they manage to become Technical Leader or more. The trick is you just have to be Indian and have a connection with an Indian hiring manager and you're set.
Everyone in the SE organization, to include leadership should have the CCNP or be working toward it. Those in specialized architectures likely don't need it but will have some type of requirement just to be consistent across the technical food chain. How many SEMs and SSEMs will step up to the plate and do this....any SEDs out there want to give it a try.
If you can’t pass CCNP, you probably shouldn’t be working for Cisco. Grow up!
There are actually a lot of Cisco employees who don't need, or can't pass the CCNP. There's Finance. HR. Many functions w/in IT that are not networking related like Storage, OS, Backups, DBs, etc. WPR. Fitness Center employees.
Every stupid recruiter out there thinks just because I have Cisco on my resume that I can configure routers. I'm not in a role where I support, develop, troubleshoot, or sell routers. Why would I need to have that skillset?
But, yes, those in roles like sales engineers, systems engineers, TAC, etc. should have it. While VPs and above don't need it, didn't they need it back when they were moving up the ladder? Why don't they already have it?
Back when Cisco was technically relevant to customers, Systems Engineers in the sales force were incented to achieve their CCIE. It's why Cisco sales force owned the room when they interacted with the customer base.
The fact that the engineers in the sales force today are struggling to achieve a CCNP just shows that they aren't very useful to their customers. In fact, I would assert that the customers generally know more about the Cisco products they use.
It also shows that Cisco has no longer has anything unique to provide to their customers. It's why Cisco account teams struggle to get any attention these days.
This sounds positive. I’ve only ever met three or four Cisco SEs who held the ccie. Why haven’t a ton of their own people got this anyways? Why hasn’t Cisco been sponsoring their tech community to get this? Rewards? Recognitions? I think it’s fundamentally because Cisco hate engineers and tech people. Or have done in the past. Maybe times will change?
Having these certifications and senior level engineering qualifications makes not a jot of difference to your career at Cisco. Far more important is your BS skills and PPT.
EVERYONE MUST BE REQUIRED TO HAVE MINIMUM CCNP, JUST NOT SEs. THIS INCLUDES MANAGERS AND DIRECTORS!! GIVE THEM A YEAR ELSE CUT THEM LOOSE.
Business Solutions Architects ( BSA) masquerading "non-technical" MUST have CCIE LEVEL Certs. NEW ORDER TO GET SALES BEING PRODUCTIVE AGAIN. BSA are nothing but bull-shitters with too much power. Cut them loose if NO CCIE After a year. WHO NEEDS BDA?
Will the celebrated Storytellers called Business Solutions Architects ( BSA) masquerading as “non-technical” Cisco CTOs also need to do it? These “CTOs” are technically zero, so may even benefit from such a cert and contribute to finally earn that Grade 12 payslip. Could be a learning exercise.
The question every SE needs to ask is will my manager be required to do this as well. That would be leadership but will it happen. Not talking at the VP level but SEM, SSEM and SED levels. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
This actually may be beneficial . Before I left Cisco, I was trying to hand over some of my duties to peers. I realised how poor their skills are when an SA came out and said straight up that he had never configured a router! Not being a career Cisco drone, I was shocked. This may also benefit the managers and directors, none of who know how to give an ip address to a router any more.
Having said all that, download a d-u-mp and you are done in under a week . It’s easy as it is and cheating helps further.
What does SE stand for