Thread regarding ExxonMobil Corp. layoffs

People Conflicted Working For Exxon Mobil

I’ve notice a trend that more and more people working for Exxon Mobil basically hate everything the company does from a social and environmental view. It seems that many try to publicly justify this by saying they are working to bring about change from within. But my observation is that is mostly because of the money and they can’t get a better paying job with the Sierra Club. The formation of LCS has seen an influx of people that think they can be part of something better and reinforces this. But it is unlikely that this business will grow and be profitable anytime soon. So anticipate a lot of people losing their jobs soon.

I just don’t understand how anyone can live with this internal conflict everyday and look at themselves in the mirror.

How can you work for a company that you inherently disagree with their fundamental business and core values. I guess greed can cover over a lot of guilt.

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Hard truth: If you work for ExxonMobil, all of your professional hours are spent in the service of Darren's fat paycheck at the cost of ruining the planet. There is no change from within. CCS is bst. Hydrogen produced from methane is also bst. Just face the truth. It's easier that way.

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Post ID: @9qbd+1sScaYkF

@4ksl+1sScaYkF if you want low maintenance costs, get a Toyota. Teslas are not designed to be repaired cheap. Good luck with the battery in 10 years.

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Post ID: @5vri+1sScaYkF

Driving a Tesla does not equal hate for oil and gas. Some people just like the tech and acceleration an electric car offers. Also convenience of not having to gas up and less maintenance.

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Post ID: @4ksl+1sScaYkF

If you feel guilty about working in oil and gas then I seriously question your knowledge of the world. Poverty is real. Grinding crushing poverty. Energy is the answer. There is no viable alternative. If there was a viable alternative the market would pivot without any government program to force it to happen.

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Post ID: @4ays+1sScaYkF

Expat pay (for those who can) > everything else. Regardless if they did cut the premium 5%. EM using you, use them back. Get your money, invest and chunk up the deuces if/when you feel the time is right. EM will never change. Family will continue to hire family and PDS will always su-k. Giving 110% can get you ranked as "good", while putting in 5% can get you ranked as "outstanding", if
you under a CL 28 (and yes, it doesnt make sense but we have all seen it). You can either continue to listen to some of the folks and get stuck in the "what if group" or go seek opportunity and stack your paper. Most of us do not care about becoming an executive, plus I couldn't even I wanted to as a minority experienced hire. However, EM name is still on my resume and for those who been oil/gas awhile understand you can use that as leverage.

In addition, if you become a supervisor, be the change we all need. He-l, the corporation does follow their own core values at times.

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Post ID: @4mmm+1sScaYkF

@1uhv+1sScaYkF your story didn't happen.

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Post ID: @4gtn+1sScaYkF

No one at Exxon will tell you they are conflicted. It’s a career ki-ler to do so. The mindset of middle management is that you need to own a gas guzzler to keep the share price running (this is said as a joke but it’s not a joke, it impacts your annual
Appraisal).

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Post ID: @4oem+1sScaYkF

Regarding the prior post on ex-XOM hire-ability, as well as addressing the PiPing lack of relevance, one can only offer this.

As the process begins PiPing US personnel in Supervisory positions at a higher scale - say, 20% of first-line Supervisors.

For those with more than 2 years in such respected positions, there is really only one prime employment opportunity:
Private Prisons.
There are plenty of them out there, particularly in the western Gulf state.
You're fully qualified for that job, boss.

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Post ID: @3pgn+1sScaYkF

Having worked for XOM and other employers including another major I can say two things (and glad I got out therefore):

  1. Not matter what XOM and its incompetent slaves (HR) tell you, XOM total compensation is not competitive at all and that including its peers (other majors), but a typical XOM employee is made to believe they are getting the best of comp.
  1. The constant moving around every few years doesn't allow employees to develop deeper skills, and in today's skills based job market employers seek out people with skills mastery that a typical XOM employee just doesn't have or have been kept away from developing by its shady PDP process.

So given the two points above and based on a perceived best comp. and career safety a typical XOM employee knows that they don't have any marketable skills to secure a similar (albeit low) paying job outside XOM and hence they are hanging in.

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Post ID: @2kfr+1sScaYkF

The money is certainly a major aspect, but I also feel the earlier we see the demise of H0m0 Sapiens on this planet, the better.
There's plenty of hardier species to carry on.

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Post ID: @2yye+1sScaYkF

No greenwashing required. Oil and gas production has improved the quality of life and supports billions of people with energy, food, medicines, and is absolutely required for making solar panels, windmills, and electric cars.

Compare the average Western lifestyle to that of the most remote tribes on the planet and you can measure the difference oil and gas makes to your daily life.

Anti oil campaigners should be required to live with zero benefits from oil, just like the most remote tribes that live every aspect of their lives without oil.

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Post ID: @2xax+1sScaYkF

No amount of greenwashing can hide that we are an oil and gas company at our core.

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Post ID: @2dix+1sScaYkF

Jeez people at XOM are d-mb af. Is this the next phase of P&GA/HR agenda to destroy the credibility of this site by filling it with id--tic drivel? Where’s the news of performance assessment? What’s the percentage NSI? What’s going to be the average raise? How many more Indians is DW hiring? These are the things we need to know.

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Post ID: @2nvv+1sScaYkF

@1siu Using your logic, it would be okay to work at PETA and eat McDonald hamburgers for lunch. Or work at the Sierra Club and drive a Chevy Suburban. Or shop at Whole Foods and use plastic bags ……..

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Post ID: @2zpc+1sScaYkF

There are even people at XOM who can spell variety.

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Post ID: @1tfl+1sScaYkF

ER stop trolling this site with your green energy BS. Can’t believe you still haven’t gotten over it. We don’t care about you no matter how much you try. Bye Felicia

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Post ID: @1rna+1sScaYkF

Look in the garage and you will see huge verity of cars. Sure, some people take advantage of subsidies and zero road repair tax and buy EVs. I guarantee you they have at least 1 real ICE car at home for situations like hurricane evacuation.

You will find that many have solar panels on their houses.

Many recycle.

I have even met some Vegans at EM.

There are a wide verity of people at EM. You should not try to lump us into any category.

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Post ID: @1siu+1sScaYkF

I need the money.

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Post ID: @1adh+1sScaYkF

A while back I bought a new car, and my manager’s manager went out of his way to question me on why I didn’t buy a gas guzzler. He really wanted to know why I didn’t want a less efficient car.

I took it as a sign of the intelligence of management at ExxonMobil.

It seems clear to me that a person can try to be more efficient personally, while still recognizing that the world as a whole still needs the energy from fossil fuels. I know that is too nuanced for many people.

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Post ID: @1uhv+1sScaYkF

Money > bs

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Post ID: @grt+1sScaYkF

I quit. I’m an oil-finder, not a plant food hider.

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Post ID: @pbf+1sScaYkF

Providing low cost energy and fuel to hundreds of millions of people in developing nations while the world figures out the best path forward in terms of energy transition is a pretty positive benefit to society in my opinion. I couldn’t care less if the company eventually crashes and burns because a new effective and efficient alternative fuel source is developed, but I feel zero regret working for ExxonMobil in terms of our social/environmental impact for the time being. The world couldn’t run without fossil fuels and fossil fuel by-products (from aspirin to insecticides to plastics to auto parts). And although a very small % of opex, we always have social obligations in countries we operate or are a partner in (scholarship programs, build houses, training programs for locals, Guyana’s gas to energy project).

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Post ID: @uun+1sScaYkF

@nvs: well, there’s the VIP grant program. Employees volunteer, and can direct $$ to the nonprofit where they’ve put their time, up to $2K a year. That looks good for EM in communities where they work. Employees donating their time and EM buying a positive reputation, $500 a quarter. (For those employees who know about it - I was there 10 years before I learned about the program.)

There’s United Way. Again, employees putting up the most $$, but EM getting the recognition because they facilitate the millions in donations and give their staff fun kickbacks like Blue Jean Fridays. Whoop.

They sometimes donate land to causes, usually because there’s contamination and they’ll take the tax write-off. Then there’s the stuff like mosquito nets in Africa where there are ops. Probably a park or playground in PNG and Guyana?

Environmentally, they put employees in green shirts and have them pick up trash while advertising the company.

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Post ID: @xjj+1sScaYkF

Would you tell me what kind of things EM have done for Social or environment? To appear on the newspaper front page or media does not mean that you are doing something good for people.

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Post ID: @nvs+1sScaYkF

Perhaps most people aren’t conflicted, because money is shiny and distracting. Science can be hard to understand and life is a lot easier when you bury your head in the sand and don’t think about the “unintended consequences” of how processes today, negatively impact tomorrow.

But there are quite a few people, who maybe gravitated to SHE roles, that have backgrounds and PhDs in environmental science, are passionate about the earth, and actually believed they could influence positive change from within. But they soon learned that words like “sustainability” cannot be used in presentations or discussions with management. Turns out, using words like that have serious repercussions.

Then those people turned 50, got an NSI and said F*** this place. They decided that their legacy shouldn’t just be a pile of cash for their kids earned from working at a company that doesn’t give a sh*t about the earth - or them - but rather, doing what they can to make an actual positive tangible difference to the world. So they took a huge pay cut and now work for the Sierra Club. 🌲

There are actually a lot of us that decided we COULDN’T look ourselves in the mirror anymore, so jumped ship.

I only pop on to this site from time to time (esp during PIP season) to remind people your employer should not only VALUE you, but also, be ALIGNED with your principles.

If it’s just about earning as much money as you can, pouring your energy and talent in to things that make executives wealthier by the minute, and never, ever rocking the boat by using the “s” [sustainability, in case you forgot] word….. you’re in the right place. Hope all your dreams come true.

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Post ID: @zdh+1sScaYkF

How does this explain the people that show up to the Houston campus with their Tesla other that to demonstrate passive resistance.

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Post ID: @lfw+1sScaYkF

I have met nobody at EM that is conflicted.

Most people working at EM are just discouraged by the unfair forced ranking system that is rigged to move high potential person to the top and people over 50 out the door, and the offshoring of jobs to cheaper persons whose work is measurably inferior and requires thorough correction.

As for LCS, it seems strange to be getting into a business line in which we must depend on grants and tax breaks to succeed because we have always performed real work that produced real profit by providing real services and real products to real people. LCS is none of that.

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