Thread regarding AT&T layoffs

Presence Report

If you are interested in knowing how a presence report is generated, what details are in there, and how your presence is calculated, then search SharePoint for this: "ATS Supervisor Presence Report Demo".

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Post ID: @OP+1sar8Am2

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Before all this f--king stuuupidttyy. We were able to dock at any att building or warehouse near us, so it wasnt really a problem to be required to be in an office say once a week. Ive worked here long and ive always been once or 2x a week thing to wherever closes to you... but they changed the game, so we have to adapt unless you found a job or have millions somewhere, we arent going anywhere

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Post ID: @bavs+1sar8Am2

I had no problem with RTO, then they were like “oh btw we also want you to move 1000 miles away, AND we’re NOT going to pay you to do it rofl” and that’s when I decided I wasn’t going to do anything they asked and was just going to keep cashing checks.

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Post ID: @8zgq+1sar8Am2
“If you just do as they ask, show up, do your time then go home. Some people waste more time trying to figure out how to get out of work or rules than just complying. Not a hard concept, they who deposit the money in your account, make the rules. Your labor and knowledge for their Fiat. End of story! If one doesn’t want to comply then, your option to move on or be fired. Requirements of the job are always changing in many industries, this isn’t the first time change has happened since time immemorial. Quit throwing a tantrum and leave if you won’t comply. The execs are aware of the situation and are the ones pushing it, whether it makes sense or not.”

Ok boomer, gtfo and go back to HR or your business management class.

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Post ID: @8qgy+1sar8Am2

If you just do as they ask, show up, do your time then go home. Some people waste more time trying to figure out how to get out of work or rules than just complying. Not a hard concept, they who deposit the money in your account, make the rules. Your labor and knowledge for their Fiat. End of story!

If one doesn’t want to comply then, your option to move on or be fired. Requirements of the job are always changing in many industries, this isn’t the first time change has happened since time immemorial. Quit throwing a tantrum and leave if you won’t comply. The execs are aware of the situation and are the ones pushing it, whether it makes sense or not.

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Post ID: @7kwu+1sar8Am2

It’s pretty simple. D-mb rules generate d-mb outcomes and this is the poster child. They get three fewer hours of work a week and from me but I follow the rules. And to the just go to the office schmucks, if you think a-s kissing will save your job, best of luck with that.

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Post ID: @6qgi+1sar8Am2

You only have to meet one of the requirements. If you badge in, it counts the whole day. The pings don’t record ‘hours on network’ or anything like that.
They don’t have the capability to, and the pings are too unreliable - they don’t even work on Mac
Just badge in, hangout for a bit, go home.

sure, because the company is definitely not looking for reasons to cut headcount

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Post ID: @6uay+1sar8Am2
“So if I stay on wifi, do they know how long I've been in the office? For example, if I badge in, then spend an hour on wifi, and go home - will this count as a full day?”

You only have to meet one of the requirements. If you badge in, it counts the whole day. The pings don’t record ‘hours on network’ or anything like that.
They don’t have the capability to, and the pings are too unreliable - they don’t even work on Mac.

Just badge in, hangout for a bit, go home.

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Post ID: @6wkp+1sar8Am2

do you want to be “so much more productive at home”. or do you want to be employed? they did not ask you to be more productive

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Post ID: @6tzo+1sar8Am2

it is so easy to stay employed by doing what is asked and yet so many look for loopholes that will end up getting them fired.

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Post ID: @6yap+1sar8Am2

@5txo+1sar8Am2

In response to this poster - THANK YOU for answering the question!

So if I stay on wifi, do they know how long I've been in the office? For example, if I badge in, then spend an hour on wifi, and go home - will this count as a full day?

It sounds like only LAN connection counts the hours?

In order of priority:

Badge Swipe - you swipe, you’re good. Doesn’t seem to matter what time (yet) I’ve swiped at 5pm stayed til 6pm and been fine.

I know people who swiped one day at 11:59pm and then again at 12:01am and got credit for both days.
Swipes rule all.

LAN - the system pings you every hour you’re on LAN and records your attendance. If you get a ping, you’re good. This only works on Windows (Mac users are free, Mac users just need to be sure to swipe, no time tracking on Mac’s)

WiFi - this ping is once a day, and probably unreliable, I wouldn’t rely on it, also doesn’t work on Mac.

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Post ID: @6cky+1sar8Am2
“Badge read acrobatics, day off algebra, and james bond style network ping games will just make it worse for everyone. They are not stupid. They will figure it out and impose more monitoring tools and restrictions.”

This is defeatist, conformist talk and I will not stand for it.

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Post ID: @6fxa+1sar8Am2
“Badge read acrobatics, day off algebra, and james bond style network ping games will just make it worse for everyone. They are not stupid. They will figure it out and impose more monitoring tools and restrictions.”

Then they will lose more talent, and the only people left will be the worst and it will continue the downward spiral of the company, maybe once they go bankrupt they will learn their lesson.
Actions have consequences, stop being scared of the man, man.

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Post ID: @6dyn+1sar8Am2

"learn the system, game the system."
Seems more trouble than it's worth.

Badge read acrobatics, day off algebra, and james bond style network ping games will just make it worse for everyone. They are not stupid. They will figure it out and impose more monitoring tools and restrictions.

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Post ID: @6iju+1sar8Am2

Sounds like a sweet deal to me as a bargained employee. We have Big Brother breathing down our necks, every second of the day. Managers don’t know how good you have it, you just thought RTO was bad.

  1. Report to office - driving in for every scheduled day, badge swipe
  2. Location monitoring on all COU devices - phone, tablets, laptops
  3. Vehicle GPS tracking along with virtual rides and virtual fencing if you go “out of route” even to the restroom while driving to your work location.
  4. Vehicle GPS reporting/alarms on any driving habits outside of their set parameters of harsh breaking, accelerating too fast, speeding.
  5. Time reporting on start of shift and end of shift
  6. Time reporting on all dispatches, tasks or work steps
  7. Time reporting on meal times, start and end times
  8. Time reporting on breaks
  9. Monitoring phone calls, computer key strokes and web sites
  10. Monitor restroom breaks in the office

I remember when we just reported to our work location, door key access only then, received our work tasks and reported back at the end of the day to input our time in the computer or laptop. Then the nanny state showed up but look how much more productive and happy all the employees are now. It gives staff something to do and data to show on their Power Point Presentations to justify their jobs.

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Post ID: @5vdv+1sar8Am2

amazing the amount of effort put into avoiding going to an office

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Post ID: @5tea+1sar8Am2
“Can someone who watched the video give a recap? What does the new report track? Badge swipes, lan connection, wifi?”

In order of priority:

  1. Badge Swipe - you swipe, you’re good. Doesn’t seem to matter what time (yet) I’ve swiped at 5pm stayed til 6pm and been fine.

I know people who swiped one day at 11:59pm and then again at 12:01am and got credit for both days.
Swipes rule all.

  1. LAN - the system pings you every hour you’re on LAN and records your attendance. If you get a ping, you’re good. This only works on Windows (Mac users are free, Mac users just need to be sure to swipe, no time tracking on Mac’s)
  1. WiFi - this ping is once a day, and probably unreliable, I wouldn’t rely on it, also doesn’t work on Mac.

If you log 1 PTO day in a week you’re excluded for that week unless your boss specifically selects to ignore that option.
This means, for the most part, if you take some PTO time in a week you can skip the office. I’ve also known people who take advantage of this, and log 1 PTO day a week for a couple weeks and just skip the office - fu-k em’ yeah?

It seems the common ‘rule’ most bosses are using is hitting 3 days a week for 3 weeks for a rolling 5 week period.
As such, if you have 2 weeks with 2 days and 3 weeks with 3, you’re good. Don’t fall below 2 days in a week, if you do, take a PTO day to exclude yourself from the report. Leverage this.

This is a system, and it has limitation, learn the system, game the system. It’s just a game, and performative - learn the rules and become good at playing the game. Get your points on the report, go home.

This is all subject to change, and those on Windows are probably the most likely to get caught as they develop more ways to track. Those on Mac are probably fine for the foreseeable future - Mac’s are also only lightly monitored and controlled vs Windows machines. It’s very easy to disable bloatware like forcepoint, SentinelOne, and other cr-p they put on it so if they do roll something out, just disable it.

Godspeed.

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Post ID: @5txo+1sar8Am2

Can someone who watched the video give a recap? What does the new report track? Badge swipes, lan connection, wifi?

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Post ID: @3yxj+1sar8Am2

"Get over it people. You used to report to the office 5 days per week and now you are being asked to show up 3 days. Just friggin show up and earn your checks hard to complain about having to go to the office when it’s 2 days fewer than before Covid. "

Wrong, there are plenty of employees who have been productively working remote for a decade or more. They were WFH well before Covid and collaborating just fine with their peers and associated teams.

RTO is NOT about collaboration. It is about reducing headcount and office space.

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Post ID: @2mjz+1sar8Am2

Get over it people. You used to report to the office 5 days per week and now you are being asked to show up 3 days. Just friggin show up and earn your checks hard to complain about having to go to the office when it’s 2 days fewer than before Covid.

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Post ID: @2evl+1sar8Am2

Can someone please please give a summary of this infamous demo? It’s no longer on sharepoint

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Post ID: @2atf+1sar8Am2

Locking down the video only proves that people who make decisions in AT&T are monitoring this site. In that case, FU Stank!

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Post ID: @2ihk+1sar8Am2

Haha. Word is out and they've restricted access to the presentation.

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Post ID: @2igb+1sar8Am2

Bonus approvals started being tied to RTO adherence on a limited scale this year. Future bonus and raise decisions will also be tied to presence metrics.

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Post ID: @2jon+1sar8Am2

Can someone confirm supervisor performance will be tied to their direct reports office attendance?

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Post ID: @2rny+1sar8Am2

This absolute lunacy is so embarrassing for the company. I wish the CEO of Dropbox would publicly comment on this one LOL.

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Post ID: @2qkn+1sar8Am2

Good to know. Thank you for the info. My God. How much money did the company pay to track us like damn cattle going to the stockades?! How nauseating how much the company has leaned into Big Brother

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Post ID: @2vin+1sar8Am2

HR has refused to detail "how" to prevent gaming the system.

I cannot make this up...

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Post ID: @1avw+1sar8Am2

If you have been told to RTO, they are "going" to care about it, because they are going to be held accountable, especially in cases where your noncompliance was not addressed by anyone.

It's already happened in my org.

I don’t think we have had a lot issues with people not doing their time but given the company’s obsession with this idiocy I don’t doubt you.

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Post ID: @1roc+1sar8Am2

" My L3 hasn’t really been focused on it. I don’t know how much she cares. Same with my L4 so far but that can always change"

If you have been told to RTO, they are "going" to care about it, because they are going to be held accountable, especially in cases where your noncompliance was not addressed by anyone.

It's already happened in my org.

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Post ID: @1jhv+1sar8Am2

Our AD does share the screen on their weekly meetings and reviews the report with everyone on the call. Has done so since the beginning. I don't know why a Boss wouldn't. It's not "secret". Also, they are covering their own a$$ by doing so. If your Boss isn't doing so, you should ask them to.

I’m not in ATS. My L3 hasn’t really been focused on it. I don’t know how much she cares. Same with my L4 so far but that can always change

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Post ID: @1ily+1sar8Am2

" Why don’t they just show the report to non-people leaders? What’s wrong with saying this is how we’re being tracked, this is what we see, here is when we flag things and so on?"

Our AD does share the screen on their weekly meetings and reviews the report with everyone on the call. Has done so since the beginning. I don't know why a Boss wouldn't. It's not "secret". Also, they are covering their own a$$ by doing so. If your Boss isn't doing so, you should ask them to.

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Post ID: @1htt+1sar8Am2

If you watched the video you’d know they are working on personal access to the report

Maybe I missed it but I did not hear anything about opening access to individual contributors. And all I was advocating for was having leaders show everyone the report and explain the tracking etc. I only really care if something in there about me is wrong.

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Post ID: @1xsn+1sar8Am2
Why don’t they just show the report to non-people leaders?

If you watched the video you’d know they are working on personal access to the report

The issue is it’s a small team and they can’t provide support to that many people.

(I’d add why help people game the system )

My boss shares with me my presence numbers on request

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Post ID: @1xro+1sar8Am2

Why don’t they just show the report to non-people leaders? What’s wrong with saying this is how we’re being tracked, this is what we see, here is when we flag things and so on? It may actually help with trust rather than keeping this under wraps and having speculation take over. That would be too smart but it might make some sense and be you know, a little collaborative.

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Post ID: @1prl+1sar8Am2

"That guy in Atlanta Derrick H just lost all of his friends."

He taught everyone the system. He just gained a bunch of friends!

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Post ID: @1lww+1sar8Am2

“ "By ensuring more consistent productivity. Metrics continue to confirm employees are more available during when in person at the office."

Actually, you are wrong, and a recent study by the University of Pittsburgh confirms your ignorance. The metrics show no improvement. But don't believe me, look up the return to office study from the University of Pittsburgh.”

Is the U of P the foremost accredited authority on RTO? Or just another academia spending tax money?

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Post ID: @1rdi+1sar8Am2

"By ensuring more consistent productivity. Metrics continue to confirm employees are more available during when in person at the office."

Actually, you are wrong, and a recent study by the University of Pittsburgh confirms your ignorance. The metrics show no improvement. But don't believe me, look up the return to office study from the University of Pittsburgh.

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Post ID: @1jnm+1sar8Am2

That guy in Atlanta Derrick H just lost all of his friends.

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Post ID: @1evt+1sar8Am2

LAN access is being verified every hour beginning in April.

WIFI access is only measured once per day.

So make sure you’re using wifi at some point and you’re good.

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Post ID: @1qkn+1sar8Am2

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