Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

To Cisco folks who are unhappy

To Cisco folks who are unhappy and are under stress due to the perpetual layoff culture and because of the total lack of appreciation of their values as professionals: If you believe you are good, possess up-to-dated skillsets relevant to current industry trends and have business generation acumen, then I'd suggest looking to leave and joining a good, healthy startup. Startups come in all sorts of sizes and forms: some "stealth" and university spun, a lot "stealth" and doesn't-go-far and then there are a select few that are spun out of major tech industry giants such as Google, Meta, etc. My suggestion, speaking from experience, is, avoid the University and other "stealth" versions: they are usually either too naive business wise, struggle for funds and unsure with budget due to lack of experience and/or just don't have the legs to go far. The third variety however, is promising given they have enough funding (run a check on Crunchbase). They have the business experience and know how to scale out a promising solution. Mist is an example of the third kind.

I worked very hard at Cisco for a few years with blind loyalty and dedication and then, it dawned upon me that no matter how hard I work and/or what I achieve, my management in the UK did not care. To them, I was just another stupid grunt of an independent contributor slogging 12 hours a day so that they can go and profile my achievements as their "leadership success" to upper management and promote their own careers. Sure, I got some meagre RSUs, some CRs but really, is that what a career path is all about?

I left for a spin off out of one of the FAANGs, my basic salary went up by 65%, a 30% bonus on top and an unthinkable amount of equity (which admittedly only matters if the company gets sold or goes for an IPO). I get 5 more days of vacation a year, extra days to "release stress" if necessary, Christmas closures on top and an actual wad of cash to set up my home office.

To all those who are confident in their abilities, I recommend a thorough soul search. Longer you stay there in a limbo waiting for the next LR, wondering if you are going to dodge the axe this time, more stagnant your career becomes, older you get and more unhirable you become. Wake up and take action!

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"I was just another stupid grunt of an independent contributor slogging 12 hours a day so that they can go and profile my achievements as their "leadership success" to upper management and promote their own careers."

I felt this in my bones.

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Post ID: @9hao+1smvINmw

Yes, target an area of interest in emerging tech, skill up and jump. Thats where the benefits are these days, along with job security. Lots of startups in AI, cybersecurity etc. Fintech is also lucrative if you are inclined that way as AI, ML and Security are all relevant there. DeFi is upcoming and big. Anything to do with AI should be a good platform to grow even in a startup. Then wait for the market to stabilise as you gain more experience. Then look around again for the next opportunity . Cisco is going down the drain, no future here.

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Post ID: @4rte+1smvINmw
If you are working on 15 year old technologies that are only valuable at Cisco... you are trapped

Technologies are only part of the equation. In engineering there are skills which are timeless but need constant refinement. There are also skills that are technology and business specific, but you should be thinking of how you sell your ability to solve problems in one set of domains to others. Communications skills are also extremely important. As others have said in other threads a significant percentage of people get their next job through someone they know, so bulk up the professional network.

People have been trapped at Cisco and their skills deteriorated, but with effort one can dig oneself out of the pit. The trick is to do it on your timetable instead of being at the will of someone else.

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Post ID: @3wpv+1smvINmw

Yes, agree that many companies, especially the big ones, are advertising jobs, interviewing and "not hiring" outside candidates or if outside, then, hiring people known to them. This is happening a lot despite internal referrals for outside candidates. But the situation is different at startups as they are looking for people who can hit the ground running and are not putting out garbage job specs and conducting cosmetic interviews. They do not have the time or resource to do that. Start-up environment is very demanding, you actually have to work and deliver stuff unlike at Cisco where people stroll around, have coffee corner political discussions and then go home to watch Netflix. That is if they show up at office at all and are not remote. Cisco managers are even worse, they click excel sheets, s-ck up to their managers and plot how to milk the company for personal gains at the cost of their ICs.

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Post ID: @3ael+1smvINmw

That's cute. Very few places are actually hiring. Lots of interviewing, almost zero hiring.

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Post ID: @3qdp+1smvINmw

Many people at Cisco are trapped on legacy projects. If you are working on 15 year old technologies that are only valuable at Cisco... you are trapped

Managers on these teams do not want employees to even transfer within the company.

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