I was LR’d and my former manager has scheduled a transition meeting. Is that even legal?
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Having been in this situation before, I would take the meeting and find out what the expectations are from your manager. He/She might be as unhappy about the LR as you, but agree with others that you should read the paperwork and do the minimum to comply. I was proactive offered to my manager that I would create a "coverage" doc with all the files and projects I was working on and where to find them (does not need to be detailed). If anyone asked, I sent directed them to that doc, and spent the remaining time looking for my next opportunity. No one will expect you to take on new projects, and if they do, politely refuse.
If you like the people and folks you work with on projects or day-to-day, help them out a bit before you leave if they ask, as it makes their lives a little easier. Most people will not ask unless they really need it or if they are true jerks (you should know already who's who) and who knows, that good karma might benefit you later in your career.
- Take your time .. do the transition ("for sake of transition"), you will always have upper hand.
- Do 33K feet transition (share the things that everyone already know, rinse and repeat).
- You Don't have to share your Intellectual Knowledge at ALL.
- No one will come back to you asking for more as they will know what phase you are going through.
- Make a nice slide with High level talking points that you have transitioned.
- Send email to you your boss and copy three level up.
- If you have HR contact copy them too..
- Transition Over :).
Write a negative review on your manager’s leadership skill, his review process and any bias.
Email it to HR and upper management. Don’t leave without exposing him. They keep it in his record file.
CAREFULLY review the terms of your LR paperwork. Do ONLY what is required. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe LR papers require you to only to transition what you are working on.
Make sure to READ YOUR LR PAPERWORK CAREFULLY. Cannot stress this enough. I do not trust management to do the right thing. Understanding the terms of your LR means people cannot mess with you. Do only what is outlined in your LR paperwork.
Do not pass go, do not collect 200. FOLLOW THE LR PAPERWORK!
and good luck....
Tell him to fu-k off
I recommend cooperating since if you are early in your career, you will run it to the same people again.
I doubt it
been in tech for thirty years and have never had a single former coworker spawn into any other jobs I have had
Why are you even talking to your manager? You’re laid off. Don’t open the webex message they send or respond to any emails. As far as they know you never saw the message.
Some of y’all don’t have the good sense good gave you.
You think it is illegal for your old manager to schedule something called a transition meeting when you are still an employee for the next 50+ days? This sounds like the manager is heartless and cold, but I’m not getting the illegal angle...
“It was all handed at Sr Dir/VP level. First line has ZERO knowledge.”
Such a lie. FLM had to provide a ranked list to the dir/vp. Did the FLM make the actual decision - no. But did they have input on who should be at the top? Absolutely. Own your decision.
They argue that your job is not need by Cisco in the hr statement, if they ask you to transition your job to another employee then they admit that they targeted you not your job .
Tell your manager that if they are transitioning that it is no business of yours.
You are expected to help transition your work. I recommend cooperating since if you are early in your career, you will run it to the same people again. Also, you are still being paid for 60 days and this is not a huge burden and clearly nothing is illegal by actually having to work for your pay. Usually, the expectation only amounts to a few hours. The employees that help the transition are seen as highly professional and are well respected. Your former boss and coworkers are good source for job references. You want to leave on a high note.
That said, Cisco has started throwing up road blocks for supporting transition. You will no longer have access to office and work material. This makes transition half baked but try to do your best.
Also keep in mind that this same manager put your name on the LR list. You owe them nothing.
It was all handed at Sr Dir/VP level. First line has ZERO knowledge.
"Transition meeting". This is funny. Did your manager officially acknowledge that the reason is "cost cutting"? CISCO's official line, your position was eliminated as there was no longer a need to whatever the work you were doing. So, what is there to transition? In some companies, for off-shoring/cost cutting, the LRed (due to cost) employee may be offered a special bonus to do the transition. So, you can politely decline or go but saying it is all in the docs I did, all in wiki your manager should know, or all in my laptop, etc etc. You have no legal obligation to offer any help.
I knew many people did offer reasonable transition (collecting some docs and one TOI meeting etc.) just because the relationship he/she had with the direct manager. That is up to you.
Also keep in mind that this same manager put your name on the LR list. You owe them nothing.
You should attend, and in the surface you should cope with that, look, cisco is not the end of your career, don't burn the bridge, a lot of companies will ask your reference and phone number of your previous manager before they make decisions to hire you.
Don't burn bridges ... it's a small world
Decline it. What are they going to do, fire you?
BS. The manager can ask you to help, but can't expect it. It IS legal as you are getting paid to a certain date. You can decide to be a pr--k or not and take part. If the manager was decent and you were doing your job updating teamspace they wouldn't need to bug you. Arm chair lawyers - obviously your skills in IT weren't great so I wouldn't expect knowledge of labor laws to be any better.
That is insane. Sounds like your manager hasn't a clue about managing.
No you shouldn’t be working on anything. Your job now is to find a new job.