Do they have the power to remove someone from a list? I think someone mentioned a “business case”’ earlier but not sure what they meant
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Sanctimonious, race-baiting leftist accusing whole world of playing race card.
Older employees and employees with the most stock options are at the highest risk unless they are kissing up to a EVP. Any leaders who have spoken out in the past about LRs or the culture of LRs are also at risk.
Did it ever occur to you that there are more white men working for Cisco than any other demographic. Simple math.
Stop blaming DEI. Blame corporate greed.
You guys are ridiculous, it’s embarrassing how much the disgruntled white men play the race card.
There are very valid criticisms of DEI. I don't for a second believe that only old white guys get LR'ed -- clearly not. But I bet you a swamp in Florida that proportionally, more old white guys get laid off than anyone else. They would never dare lay of anywhere near 13% of black people.
It's ABSOLUTELY a factor.
The DEI comments are BS. We lost 4 on our team in the last LR. 2 black guys, 1 woman, and 1 white guy.
It’s astonishing to me how many straight white males love to play the victim. Get over yourselves. And for the record I’m a straight white male (but don’t whine about it all the time).
Don’t believe the lies people are saying about people considered protected under DEI not being affected. I know plenty of women and people of color who were LR’d. Even recently.
These are baseless, unprovable claims by disgruntled employees who are too proud to admit they are just a number, like the rest of us. They may have been taught they’re better than others, but they’re not.
If these disgruntled employees want to blame something, blame corporate greed.
Cutting you, and me, is a numbers game. Plain and simple. No one is irreplaceable. We are numbers on a balance sheet to the wealthy corporate execs. Get over yourselves and stop blaming DEI, the culprit is greed - money and power as always. You’re just making excuses for the rich.
DEI are well protected and recent internal jobs are taken over by DEIs though they do not have profile in linkedin or history of experience anywhere :)
Cisco has dropped to such a low level
Is consolidation of business units expected in this round? Any products or projects are at risk?
First ones to go are senior in age and high salary, the rest is the relative young, low salary and new hires to hide the age discrimination. In any case, East Asians are the most vulnerable group in cisco, not just white male.
If you are an east Asian, you are a minority and powerless in cisco and therefore would be the first ones on the chopping block
Unlimited PTO is a sign to saving money, Cisco's LR package is not too bad. However it is not as good/kind as it was. In the future Cisco may just let you go without package.
I guess they wont offer you any explaintion in regards to how you were picked from your team.
High cost vs. impact
Cisco HR makes sure DEI's aren't on the list unless there's an exceptional reason. Age discrimination is the point (sorry higher paid white males), but legal and HR have calculated the necessary ratios to avoid age discrimination lawsuits so a sufficient number of younger, non DEI fodder will be sacrificed on this alter. Vote me down if you want DEIs, but this is actually how it works.
Legal and Human Resources (or People Management) typically would not have the power to "remove" people from the list. They provide counsel and would recommend changes to the business. The business could either agree and perform the changes or take the risks outlined. Businesses take risks against advice all the time, that's how they make money in the end by accepting certain risks. Tradeoff just has to be worth it.
A Cisco HR babe once told me this: "If your tail is pink and likes to go in the front hole only, you're toast. No protection for you."
Performance is never a criteria this continuous layoff events are perfect opportunity for management to get rid of employees they don't like and those who are deemed expensive only boot licking souls survive and HR can do nothing about it. Management works like mafia in cisco surrounding themselves with worshippers if you are deemed out of their system you will get the boot. Sh---y state of affairs in cisco
I was the PowerPoint grunt worker during a layoff. Directors/Managers are asked to align employees to future projects, and the employees aligned to projects without funding get axed. It's how Cisco avoids conducting layoffs based on performance.
I've seen one manager convert a business person to a software engineer last minute to protect his favorite from layoffs.
What is a protected class in Cisco? Army veterans? Who classify these?
Read this old post :
Anatomy of a layoff
https://www.thelayoff.com/t/IH92Kze#OP
The list does pass through HR and legal but is rarely changed unless evidence of discriminatory and lawsuits alerts are identified.
If you are not a protected class, they will not save you. So basically white, straight, male.
Not "business case" - when the leaders submitted the initial list, the business cases have been made. Regardless the people were high performers or not. Those positions have been eliminated due to "business changes".
The review are about:
- Any discrimination trigger - CISCO likely to get sued - gender, racial, age, etc etc
- Any one is on "protected status" base on local law
- ensure the time line and severance complied with local law