Amazon is doing 5 days starting in January, are we going to follow suit?
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Badge in first thing in the morning, walk out and meet friends offsite for coffee.
Badge back in, check messages, leave and meet friends for lunch.
Badge in, check messages, pick up computer and head home
RTO - Complete
Amazon is actively building out new offices. Look at HQ2 in Virginia, new buildings in London, etc. Conversely, Cisco is actively divesting from office buildings. That should tell you everything you need to know about Cisco's (lack of) RTO plan.
TheTruthHurts, I’m not down voting you, but I don’t agree that RTO will weed out the fakers.
Reasons:
- If your manager is at a different site than you, what’s the difference between RTO & WFH? They can’t watch you to see how much you slack off.
- There were tons of slackers IN the office before the pandemic closed the offices. Returning won’t fix that.
- If reconfiguring the cubes from large private areas to small open desks didn’t prevent people from streaming sports, shows, etc. while pretending to work, RTO isn’t going to stop it.
I agree we need to clean house, but that means LR’ing people who are not productive or efficient at their jobs instead of those who are old or expensive.
Amazon is doing 5 days starting in January, are we going to follow suit?
Amazon is doing high salaries, are we going to follow suit?
We are not an Amazon clone.
Couldn’t agree more. Return to office and flush out the entitled fakers. No matter what they say, people don’t work as much or as well at home. 80% probably avoid doing anything other than what is absolutely necessary to remain employed. This is why it takes so long to get things done, because all of these fakers not doing their jobs…… and the real workers doing to way to Much and burning out. If you’re one of the latter that does too much….. this isn’t directed at you. The ones who get angry and downvote this post have already outed themselves as the lazy good for nothing trixters they truly are. Quit lying to yourself. You know who you are.
There physically isn't enough desk space to accomodate this. To be fair, that's also true for Amazon and it hasn't stopped them implenting full RTO, but they haven't downsized their offices like Cisco did. Let's be honest here - remote working by default is one of Cisco's strongest selling points to candidates. Why would they remove this? It's not like they need to do stealth layoffs, either, because they seem to allocate c. $1BN / FY for that.
I’ve been working remotely since about 2002. RTO is dead, the costs are horrendous.
Meeting in person is good for innovation. Going back to office means we need to re-open some closed offices... so most likely not.
PersonalIy I hope we went back to that state we were just before the pandemic.
how does returning to the office save any money?
You think that’s going to save you from the next LR ? 😂
Before Covid, most engineers were already working 4 days in office and one day home.
A lot of non-engineers started working from home when Cisco got rid of offices and cubicles.
Cisco has been selling off office space while other companies such as google and amazon expanded. Cisco also sells tools for hybrid work.
I do not see Cisco doing more than 3 days per week but I cannot be sure since I left Cisco this year.
Since Covid started, I did no days in the office for 2.5 years and 1 day in the office for the last 1.5 years. I was not unusual. Some worked more by choice and some skipped out on the mandatory in office days.
I don't see it happening at Cisco for US based employees.
Amazon, Google, Microsoft only hire folks in the cities where offices are located. That's why they all had RTOs. Cisco, Oracle, HP hire anyone anywhere regardless of office proximity.
I hope so, let's see. It's ideal to flush out the fakers, and save some money!
Should LR at least 25% of employees in SJC, otherwise there are no desks enough to support RTO 5 days