Giving them out.
You have to own it, although you had no say in the whole process...
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It seems so many of the CL pay curves have stayed flat… you would have expected inflation would have accounted for a 1-3% increase in each curve, therefore although you are past the reference point you would have a pay rise.
It seems the company wishes to pass on zero pay rises to a higher number than previous years…which all must be part of a strategy to drive attrition… oh WAEM and people are our best asset 😌
Of course the goal is to lower salaries... Now that you've cut the fat off you've got go getter 27s out there willing to do the job of a 28/29 (just to remain "outstanding") without having to pay them at the appropriate pay grade. The system is genius really.
Every assessment session wraps up with the "themes" moving to the right... Where do you think the new outstanding themes for 27 come from? They were previously on the VG/G 28/29 themes list.
The whole thing creates downward pressure across the board... Great for the company, bad for you.
@1svc So…
Not only is the PIP functioning as a soft layoff, but it’s also a device for lowering salaries?
Is this same logic also being applied to executive compensation packages? The company could easily cut costs by not giving a 25% annual increase on a $30M annual pay package, but we never hear that being discussed in the context of “structural cost reductions.”
Make it make sense.
A zero raise means you are overpaid or dropping in ranking...Likely the later since pip of the bottom 10% means a 60Rg becomes a 50 Rg and a 20 becomes a 10RG and an 80 becomes a 70 RG...PIP affects everyone one...not just the people pip'd. It is a relative ranking system...so Pip affects salary, ranking and potential for everyone especially when there are very few new people coming into the system.
At low hiring rates, 30RG person today will be a Pip in 4 years. This means you will be at zero pay raises and zero promotions also.
@hee Then grow a pair and speak truth to power. If you can’t do that, maybe you shouldn’t be in leadership to begin with.
Leaders don’t whine about having to make tough decisions then come looking for sympathy on internet discussion boards. Again, you probably shouldn’t be in leadership to begin with. Same goes for @OP.
Could have salary reduced or your CL reclassified lower.
Been there OP.
@OP Then find a profession that allows you to exercise your conscience.
Let’s rename the topic: “I’m your manager. Feel sorry for me because even though I make more money than you, I need an emotional support pet to deal with what I’m supposed to do to earn the delta $$$
I'm a manager, 0% raise and I gave out 0% raises. Su-ks on both sides.
Yeah…if you’re hanging out in a supervisory or mgmt role after last few years, it’s voluntary. If you’re honest with yourself, it’s b/c you’re greedy and don’t care about impacts of your actions, or actions of those above you. Low quality human energy. Full stop
The toxicity here shows why XOM will ultimately fail. A good manager or supervisor advocates for their team. If the outcome is not ideal, they share why and help the employees understand (although none of them had to like it). As much as people think managers and supervisors got fat raises, they did not. It su-ks for everyone to get 1-4%.
Getting a 10 or 20 percent raise for f icking the zero percenter. I am sure the supervisors and managers did not get a zero raise. The did their job efficiently and doled out the bad news. I loved the look in the supervisors eyes and the caring and compassion. All for show they are good actors. In the end asked if I had any questions. I said no with a grin and look of hate and disgust. They like the power position and ability to shape and control the minions. So yes some of them enjoy it. They get off on it. So don't believe it. I was asked to be a supervisor and said no. It was not for me as I don't have the patience or stomach to deal with people. So they chose the position and have to own it. Own it bia tchs it is the he'll you have created. The reprocusions of these raises Will be felt for years to come. Remember zero raise equals zero work.
What is worse is being told to do more work to improve. I am not an id--t or not educated or experienced. I can do many things for the corporation but they have me doing monkey work. Only the chosen young can do design and engineering work. I am relegated to doing admin work or moc, jla, tma, dealing with systems that are way to slow and bureaucratic to please the project managers. Everyone around me is working like 10 or 12 hours a day because they are scared of being piped. I welcome the pip I mean pcp as I am NRE. I can and will be a thorn in their a-s for the next 3 years. When I am RE is the when the real fun starts. I am going to tell the truth at meetings and conferences. If exxon was smart they would not fu ck with the old NREs they would just let us go on our own. It is not in their nature to do leave us alone. They have to torture us and force us out. The zero raise was a stab to the heart to myself as I contributed to the capabilities of the area I was in. I would understand if I just sat around and played on my phone like the others I worked with but I went beyond by working extra hours, taking care of thing while on vacation and generally giving a sh-t about the work. Well that is about to change no raise no extra work. Hello phone, long sh-t breaks, indifference, safety and speaking up in meetings, ideas to help others out, improvements, and generally caring about the work. I hate to be this way but exxon has brought it upon themselves. It is a case of learned helplessness according to the raise In am to worthless to do any better so i/ wont even try. I feel really bad for the younger people who got thrashed in the raises. In am well paid, nre and ready to retire. I am exxon's worst nightmare.
I'd say an indoctrinated manager wouldn't feel bad. This one sounds like they care.
I hold no grudges towards supervisors and managers who have to deliver this news…..they have no control over the process. The issues lie at the management committee level.
It’s this type of comment that a fully indoctrinated, a kissing, kool aid sipping, hipo manager would post. Have fun dishing out those low rankings and 0% raises, and owning it. Thoughts and prayers for your pain.
Oh, and there’s a special place in he-l for you.
Getting a zero percent raise is just saying that you’re currently paid above your target based on your CL, rank and YEE. Period.
Exactly the kind of self absorbed nonsense that is part of the problem. It’s your choice to be a parasite and sell your values and morals for more money and a title. Zero sympathy for the fact that you feel guilty for your part in stealing a living from so many of our colleagues over the past few years so you can stuff your bank account.