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AWS is negotiating a huge deal to supply IBM with Nvidia GPUs via the cloud

IBM doesn't have the clout or money to buy their own GPUs? Or is it cheaper to "partner-up" in this fashion since buying and maintaining hardware is expensive?

https://www.businessinsider.com/aws-negotiating-huge-cloud-deal-supply-ibm-with-nvidia-gpus-2024-11

By: Eugene Kim
Nov 12, 2024, 10:50 AM CST

• AWS is negotiating a $475 million AI-cloud deal with IBM.
• IBM already uses AWS services for AI, including training models on EC2 servers with Nvidia chips.
• Amazon recently said its AI business was growing at "triple-digit percentages" annually.

IBM needs more Nvidia GPUs. Amazon Web Services wants to provide them via the cloud.

AWS is in talks for a deal worth roughly $475 million over five years to give IBM access to Nvidia graphics processing units through its cloud service, according to an internal Amazon document obtained by Business Insider.

Under such a deal, IBM would use AWS's Elastic Compute Cloud servers that come equipped with Nvidia's AI chips, the document said. IBM Research has already started training some of its AI models on EC2 servers using AWS's machine-learning platform SageMaker, the document added.

One person familiar with the document and the negotiations said the IBM deal was for AI training and the talks were ongoing. This person asked not to be identified discussing private matters. Further details could not be learned. As with any deal talks, such negotiations could end without a final agreement being signed. Spokespeople for AWS and IBM didn't respond to requests for comment.

If the companies reach a deal, it could expand the partnership between AWS and IBM in the AI space. In May, IBM announced it was increasing its use of AWS across its Watson AI platform.

The negotiations also highlight continued demand for Nvidia GPUs. AWS has developed its own AI chips, Trainium and Inferentia, and has been pitching cloud customers on using these. Amazon CEO Andy Jassy said recently that AWS's AI chips were more appealing because of their price and energy efficiency compared with other offerings. Efforts here have been mixed so far, and it's unclear whether an IBM deal would include access to these homegrown Amazon components.

Still, an AI-cloud deal like this would be a further boost for AWS. During a call with analysts last month, Jassy said the company's artificial-intelligence business was on pace to generate "multibillion dollars" in revenue this year and growing at "triple-digit percentages year over year." Amazon's AI business is "growing three times faster at its stage of evolution than AWS did itself," he added.

In the most recent quarter, AWS reported $27.5 billion in revenue, up 19% from the year-ago period. Amazon is on pace to invest more than $75 billion in capital expenditure this year, Morgan Stanley recently estimated, and even more next year, mostly on cloud infrastructure such as GPUs, networking, and data centers.

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IBM is betting their future on Partnerships. Why? Because their primary customer base “mainframe” isnt growing, and the only way out of that box canyon is to partner off the “perform” side of the house, and offer newer/unique solutions to continue to exploit their monopoly (mainframe) So what’s a company to do
Infrastructure concentrates on design mostly around chips. Everything else (the perform part) gets partnered off. (scale out manufacturing, cloud, TSS). Essentially infrastructures job is to continue the mainframe/enterprise legacy (35% of infrastructure) How do they do that? By innovative chip design. Everything else goes Infrastructure shrinks 60-65%
SW has already shown their cards Buy innovation to replace legacy. Act as a distributor of that innovative SW since it’s a monopoly market. Offshore the new SW support. Rinse and repeat. SW division shrinks 50-60% over time
Consulting wants to be just that Consulting. The perform part (80% of consulting) can be partnered out and IBM can be paid commission for acting as the front end of the perform part. IBM will invest in AI as that replaces perform labor, and IBM consulting can license that. Consulting will shrink 65-70% over time

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Post ID: @7vyg+1vs7nBHV

oh how the once mighty have fallen ....IBM partnerships are a waste of time for any company who goes into them. IBM has no relevant money to speak off particularly with losers like Alvind and his obese lapdog Kavanaugh running the show.

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@1pxy+1vs7nBHV

IBM is following the BUNCH into obscurity and computing history. Each member of the BUNCH was a major manufacturer in the computing world in the 1970s and even the 1980s, but they abandoned manufacturing and the R+D that goes along with it, in favor of software development and consulting, marketed via the "enterprise relationships" you speak of.

IBM is not a leader anymore, and it is no longer trying to be one. Its legacy mainframe business is still viable for as long as it lasts, but aside from incremental improvements we probably won't see much action. IBM's future, if it has any, will probably be in niche applications like HR and payroll processing and the like...stuff that is tailor-made for mainframes. The technological leadership (new systems, new architectures, new designs) of things will be left to companies like NVidia, Google and Microsoft, among others. IBM doesn't have the fight in it anymore, and soon they will no longer have the money to compete on any serious playing field.

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Post ID: @1yod+1vs7nBHV

https://www.reddit.com/r/IBM/comments/1gprba9/ibm_to_spend_500_million_on_nvidia_gpus/

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Post ID: @1uvd+1vs7nBHV

New innovative enterprise hybrid SW is where IBM’s focus is at. It replaces a pile of legacy SW costs which IBM is aggressively pursuing. (yes IBM SW division is shrinking quickly due to the new SW purchases, but also due to AI automating the legacy SW stack). SW divisions legacy replacement strategy gives IBM an opportunity to exploit its distribution via the established IBM enterprise relationships. Enterprise Consulting just enhances the ability of IBM to push the new SW offerings and modernize the old HW offerings. Everything else IBM dabbles in outside of Enterprise relationships will fade away. IBM will gladly sacrifice cloud revenue if it can be replace via Enterprise Hybrid SW revenue. You are watching that happen even as we speak as Infrastructure shrinks every quarter. Expect Infrastructure division to be 40% of itself by the end of 2025

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Post ID: @1pxy+1vs7nBHV

What happened to Vela?

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Post ID: @zxw+1vs7nBHV

No surprise...IBM made it clear a long time ago that the IBM Cloud is dead and that IBM prefers using other Cloud providers for its customers to run IBM software.

IBM does not have the cash to build a major Cloud infrastructure, that costs Billions that IBM does not have. So, as usual IBM goes with the easiest way.

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