What are they gonna do, fire us all for cause?
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Like the other post mentioned, be sure to take photos, videos, and post them on social media and news broadcasts.
This violates the company social media policy and will result in immediate termination for cause. They win again. If you try it I don't like your chances of remaining anonymous. Better to just refuse to comply and see what they decide to do about it.
Absolutely! Comply and overwhelm the systems. Like the other post mentioned, be sure to take photos, videos, and post them on social media and news broadcasts. They would love it! Especially the fact that even LinkedIn is flooded with RTO= attrition. So embarrassing and proving the point. And yes, don’t forget those other laws about building occupancy, safety, and welfare of the employees. The hypocrite egotistical liars top exects are NOT the only one protected and back up by “legal team.” He-l, they got laid off, too. Haha!
NO, things are not the same like precovid. The fact that your employees need to fight for seats and the fu--ing parking lots are beyond stupid for those who said “we’re not gonna do stupid” meh meh meh meh meh meh. Get lost.
“Those that value their jobs would love to see you volunteer as tribute to be the first to be let go! Bye!”
Yes!
What is wrong with all of you who are on here crying about RTO!? It’s disturbing to hear you all complaining and crying! I hope they do mass layoffs and those of you that are over here throwing temper tantrums are the first to go. Please don’t comply! Those that value their jobs would love to see you volunteer as tribute to be the first to be let go! Bye!
" They would have to fire ALL employees who didn’t do the 3 day policy first"
They don't though.
I am no company stooge, but as is mentioned here over and over again-- and many don't seem to grasp- they can pretty much fire whomever they want, whenever they want.
So, if you are a huge PITA about the whole thing, guess who will be offered up? And then, sure, you can bring up: "but Suzy was supposed to come in 3 days per week last year and didn't comply..." etc etc.
And see how that works for you.
“ No, that is not fantasy. AT&T has quite a history over a concept called "disparity in treatment". So, if they pass on one kind of transgression, they have to do it for everybody going forward. They're not going to do that.”
They already allowed those not there for the 3 day policy for the last year and a half set the “disparity in treatment “. So according to YOU they already “passed on one kind of transgression”.
They would have to fire ALL employees who didn’t do the 3 day policy first.
“ Everyone should come in as often as possible. Overwhelm the system. I would not be surprised if the company has failed to create enough bandwidth to handle 100%+ capacity.”
Just wait for the day the internet drops at work and that ask US to go home and login.
How is overcrowding legally defined? Do we know?
Also the “Atlanta” (Lenox) office is not in the city of Atlanta. It’s in Brookhaven. Not sure whether they handle this stuff themselves or it’s DeKalb County.
Me, oh wait I got laid off.
If your boss tells you to RTO that is what you do or not get paid. The job market is not what it used to be. Where are your morals and values?
“Everyone should come in as often as possible. Overwhelm the system. I would not be surprised if the company has failed to create enough bandwidth to handle 100%+ capacity.”
They absolutely do not have enough wifi capacity in Plano. On a typical Tuesday / Wednesday if you’re not in by 8, you’ll be hunting for an open lan port, good luck finding one that works.
“What is the big deal? They want you in. We did this prior to Covid. 5 days a week.”
Prior to Covid we had our own assigned desks. Prior to Covid we still had some remote workers that had been remote for a decade+. Prior to Covid the offices weren’t overcrowded so you could actually concentrate on your work.
Most of us would be fine going back to how it was before Covid. The problem is that it’s not even remotely close and that is by design.
Thank you to the person who posted the list that included this:
"All of this is going to come to a head in the next few months as the lawsuits, loss of productivity, Fire Marshall violations, "
Good post. And, to add on to it... please, if you see that the space is clearly over crowded and beyond what would be a normal, safe capacity for an office, REPORT IT to your local fire marshal. You can search for " fire marshal complaint" and usually find an online form fairly easily.
And, for those in Dallas, Atlanta, and Alpharetta, here are some links to help out:
Dallas: form to report fire hazards, including "overcrowding":
https://cust.fhslinspections.com/TXDH807/DeptDefined/datQuestionTemplate
Dallas: fire marshal general info:
https://dallascityhall.com/departments/fire-rescue/Pages/Prevention-and-Investigation-Bureau.aspx
Atlanta: form to report fire hazards, including "overcrowding":
https://fs6.formsite.com/mAFRD/2md5a0irlp/index.html
Atlanta: higher level page that links to the form above (if you're worried about the odd link above):
https://www.atlantafirerescue.com/divisions/technical-services/office-of-the-fire-marshal/fire-marshal-s-office-complaint
Alpharetta: form to report fire hazards, including "overcrowding":
https://www.alpharetta.ga.us/government/departments/public-safety/fire-marshal/fire-and-life-safety-complaint-form
“ It will get rolled back, it’s a when not if. ..”
Agreed— but not OFFICIALLY. it will be communicated from your direct supervisor, informally and not in writing when the times comes. Leadership is too shallow and egotistical to officially reverse their flawed and shortsighted edicts themselves. At some point (and I don’t think it will be this year, but next) the Presence Report will just not be a “thing” anymore, and those that are still here will look back and laugh about it. Like Workplace 2020 and all of the other harebrained nonsense these clowns have come up with.
What is the big deal? They want you in. We did this prior to Covid. 5 days a week.
They pay you.
Lets see what happens with the people where there are no hubs. Wisconsin, Massachusetts, Indiana and certain people in NJ (who just dont want to come in).
A few things:
- They can legally require you to go to the office 5x per week. I think it’s stupid as well, but legally they can do that.
- If you are an exempt manager and they withhold wages or bonus due to hours not worked (I.e. not meeting in office 8) that makes you an hourly employee. File a lawsuit. You may also be owed overtime and other compensation.
- It’s not the 5x that’s going to get ATT in hot water, it’s the time tracking and non-flexibility for exempt managers that’s going to get them as that violates federal labor laws. Too many directors/avps/vps, don’t know the rules around that and are enforcing it like their people are hourly workers.
- All of this is going to come to a head in the next few months as the lawsuits, loss of productivity, Fire Marshall violations, bad press, loss of talent, can’t hire folks, etc. comes into play. It will get rolled back, it’s a when not if. This is going to be stanky’s undoing.
What department are you in? I want to start looking at vacancies in other departments next year to move to a new position.
This is exactly what they want, so they can fire you without severance.
If you don’t show up I’ll consider that your resignation.
“I suspect there is a pretty good sized faction that will be doing this, and it will grow exponentially if they don't fire anyone, so they will probably start making examples of some people.”
This has already started. I know of 4 employees whose bonus was impacted this year and several other members in my org counseled for not meeting in office time requirements.
Don’t even think about it. Go to the office 5 days a week. If you can’t do it then start looking for a new job. There are plenty of remote job offers. Don’t wait till T will lay you off.
Nah. Not interested in your version of fantasy.
No, that is not fantasy. AT&T has quite a history over a concept called "disparity in treatment". So, if they pass on one kind of transgression, they have to do it for everybody going forward. They're not going to do that.
They'll start writing things up until HR says they have enough to fire.
Everyone should come in as often as possible. Overwhelm the system. I would not be surprised if the company has failed to create enough bandwidth to handle 100%+ capacity.
“The "cause" used to be called "job abandonment". That "cause" has been around for decades. And alternatively, depending on what is said, maybe "insubordination".”
Nah. Not interested in your version of fantasy. I like reality better. Which is, they aint doing nothing to us. We are invincible and golden until the short sighted yapping chihuahuas in ATS can prove that they have building capacity for everyone assigned to the designated office spaces. No matter what fear these yapping chihuahuas try to instill in you, the law and facts are on our side. There’s not a damn thing they can do to get rid of the personal, civil and corporate liability of forcing someone to come in and use an unsuitable office space. Attorneys would have a field day.
You deserve to be fired if you really follow through on this.
The "cause" used to be called "job abandonment". That "cause" has been around for decades. And alternatively, depending on what is said, maybe "insubordination".
I suspect there is a pretty good sized faction that will be doing this, and it will grow exponentially if they don't fire anyone, so they will probably start making examples of some people. Just like the guards at Auschwitz, you have to execute a few prisoners to get the other to behave.
Starting 1/6 I will be coming in early to secure my seat at the desk of someone who's able to start their day at 7:30 and beat the rush. I'm going to keep his seat. He's going to cry to his boss. Nothing is going to happen because it's not assigned seating.
Nobody is going to fire me. Surely not that d-mb chicken leg 🍗
The minute I receive a firing notice because I wasn’t in the office 5 days per week, I reply to the hags in HR, my supervisor and that pompous short wanna be CTO with a picture of me sitting on the floor. “Your honor we submit exhibit A the list of employees assigned to the office and the current capacity constraints” We further submit the height measurements that corroborate the bully syndrome driving an unworkable 5 day RTO mandate.
“The state of Georgia rules in favor of the employee plaintiff and renders a judgement of 3 million dollars”. This courtroom is dismissed!
I forgot to mention the crybabies.
The maturity level of these people sickens me. The tattle tales, the "I won't go", the leadership team not sharing the real reason the are enforcing RTO....I can honestly say I am happy I got laid off. What a shi+fire of a place to work. Grow up.
They have trouble firing employees who break actual laws.
Yep, that’s exactly what they’ll do.