Thread regarding Honeywell International Inc. layoffs

"Amazing how many people feel that they're entitled to work from home".

Actually that's exactly what I'm entitled to do, I've been doing it for 8 years and it's called an implied contract. My Employer has no right to change those working conditions unilaterally and without consultation, or overwhelming business argument.

Source: legal advice, already taken.

They want everyone in the office so they can pick up your laptop and phone when you get RIF'd. Honeywell can see how bitter everyone is (from this blog?) and does not want to risk ex-employees causing system damage.

To K3iro0K-qii - I think your the one that is pathetic. Get a life!

It's abundantly clear, OP, that you certainly could not be trusted to work remotely. Thou doth protest too much. And we all know what that means.

That does not mean others can't work effectively remotely. Only that you can't.

@K3iro0k-5gvp Wow! You are an especially pathetic person. Lol

Even after the WFH policy was just put in place no sooner the next day people are still working from home. It really amazes me that people think they are above it. People who WFH home can run their errands, go to doctors appts etc.. while other people who are expected to be in the office every day have to use their PTO and vacation time do these things.. Don't tell me this does not happen because it does and then here is the kicker now the person WFH at the end of the years says "Gee I have all my vacation time and PTO time left I better take it" Well no sh_ _t Sherlock when your working from home every day. Its is totally abused by the majority of the people. Here is a good one. I have migraine and not feeling well I will be working from home. Why aren't you using PTO time like everyone else. No wonder you have so much vacation time and PTO left at the end of the year. C'mon people . This is so dishonest

Merry RIFmas to all, and to all a good night!

Tick tock ... Tick tock

It will soon be October 31 but yet no published WFH policy.

What will it say, where are the rules, who gets exempted, what are the exceptions.

Looking forward to this one and to watching people go to the EEOC because it will be a new tool for people to be treated unfairly. Good old boys will take care of each other like they have always done.

Seems like it would have been easier to give managers expectations and then hold the managers accountable to managing their team.

What a novel idea.

It's abundantly clear you are young. You have the foolish optimism and the cluelessness of the inexperienced. Sadly you probably won't learn until you are mid 50s facing layoffs and PIPs. Despite decades of loyal service and far more hours in OT than vacation. I just hope the economy is not in a downturn when you are in your 50's. And despite your youthful arrogance I really mean that. No one deserves to be treated like this. Even foolish, arrogant youngsters who think they know it all.

@K3iro0k-2hkc You call anyone below your level a Serf. Isn't that your complaint with Cote? You're pissed because he's treating you as a "serf". It seems to me that you have contempt for anyone besides yourself. But really I'm guessing the root of the problem is that you are upset with yourself and just won't admit it. You claim to be educated but yet you were foolish enough to believe the lies you were told when you were hired by HI all those years ago. One thing us Gen-Xers and millennials have over you is that we know better than rely on these companies to "take care" of us. I need a paycheck just as much as anyone else on this board does but I don't need to get it from Honeywell if they are making my life miserable. If you are so unhappy with how you are being treated, then do us all a favor and go work someplace else. And don't give us the sob story about age discrimination. Most of us, regardless of age, will lose pay if we have to find another job someplace else. And with all your education and experience, you could work as a consultant/contractor, double your salary, and WFH whenever you want to.

Lol at the guy giving 200%. Hope you think you are paid 200% more than you're worth as well. Otherwise you're just a corporate slave. People like you is why coperations take advantage of their employees.

There is something said about this thread. We have all these flavors we can work with but the ones who oppose WFH choose salty. Not everyone has your situation. You clearly don't have others. So think and comprehend the situation before you blanket statement everything, which I know is really hard after that part of your brain is full of cobwebs after college. Some people have situations that require them to connect with global team and might be the only one that's stateside. Or they have medical issues that probably you would want the same treatment if it applied to you. If you aren't in that situation, bravo! You are super lucky. But not everyone is fortunate.

I for one think that working in the office is the biggest waste of time. I'm able body and go into work everyday. Though I sit in my cube and all around me I hear how a managers Steve's fishing trip went or how senior engineer Sheila is pissed at her brother for being a drug addict. Or the occasional employee comes by my cube and wants to talk up a storm for an hour. Which delays me spending time with my family by an hour because I signed up for 8 hours worth of work and Honeywell is going to get 8 hours worth of work from me. But tell me that is increased productivity when subjected to being in that environment? I don't think so.

Somewhere along the line, something needs to change. If you work in the office, please just do your work then. I don't need the stupid background noise and I don't need to hear your woes. If this is a blanket statement and it doesn't apply to you. Refer to the first paragraph. Not everyone who works from home are slackers. So why the hate for every single one of them? Because reality check, you have nothing else to do in the office besides gossip and complain on this site therefore this blanket statement 100% applies to you.

No doubt Dave has already noticed what a stellar employer you are. Bet they are in the process of giving you a raise right now!

All sarcasm aside, I really do feel bad that you think hard work counts at Honeywell. I used to as well and I remember what a hard pill it was to swallow to find out that it's just not true. Nor does it matter if your dept thinks you are great too. The best thing to do is not count on Honeywell. WFH has nothing to do with that, it is just a smokescreen right now.

That's just it. They want us to drive to the miserable, low morale office for 8 hours, fighting traffic both ways then they want us to go ahead and work all the free overtime we want supporting emerging market counterparts in chiner, indiar, etc. Well they can totally forget that noise because that is not happening. I decline any meetings scheduled over my lunch break or outside my 8 hour workday. You're not going to have it both ways, ole davy my boy. You're not going to have me in traffic 2 hours per day, office time 8 hours and then at home working again. No way, no how. Slavery was abolished in 1865 and my days of giving back MY FREEDOM to this shthole company are over and done with.

Your poor comments area a reflect of your poor personality and ethical behavior. Honeywell needs to get rid of people like YOU, a rotten apple that most probably spends most of the office time complaining and gossiping than actually working.

Oh it should, should it? Wow you should be the next CEO. You know everyone's situation and what is best for everyone. Just like Dave. You just keep working hard I am sure you will be recognized and rewarded for it lol.

I didn't say that... I said I want to be "seen" as giving 200% and our leadership has decided we can't be trusted to do that from home. While my particular work group is not in my office, many other leaders are and notice who never comes to the office. That's not to say WFH should be banned outright, but should be reserved for when you need uninterrupted quiet and only on occasion.

And you think ppl who WFH don't give 200%? You are right - most give more. We just keep working long after you are at home with your feet kicked up. You don't have to wonder why Honeywell is going to hell. Stupid is as stupid does.

Like it or not, Bottom line reality for the way HON leadership thinks...If your job can be done remotely, it can probably be done by someone in India or Romania (albeit with a lot of handholding and mistakes). If you want to be unemployed and enjoying all that at home time, by all means push for that exemption. You will be targeted in upcoming RIFs. Yeah, I hate the lack of flexibility when I absolutely need to work remote, but I want to be "seen" as an American employee who delvers 200% more than my Indian and Romanian counterparts, I'll be getting up and getting to the office every day. I enjoy things like eating and sleeping indoors too much to risk my paycheck.

Jealousy is so ugly.

Boo hoo hoo WFH no more.

Good job feeding the troll. Divide and conquer...battle among ourselves. That's what leadership wants.

Whether the trolls and serfs see it or not, whether they agree or not doesn't matter. Point is, in this day and age not being to work from home and be flexible given that we are a global company with teams spread all over the world, is beyond stupid.

So for all of you serfs, answer this: How are you suppose to support meetings with India and China at 9pm local time?

"Wish I could all wake up, er....whenever....go out on the driveway to pick up the newspaper in my jammies...while sipping coffee and listening to the birds singing,...and watching the sun rise...then going back to my kids' bedrooms to watch them wake up and smile at me...then flip on my computer whenever I feel like it...maybe go out for a jog around the block...then come back...take a nap, and then work my normal 4-hour day."

You are so ignorant, you just proved my point. Someone like you could not be trusted to WFH if this is how you would conduct your day. Idiot. You would be exposed in the first week for the schmuck that you are. It takes discipline and commitment, which you obviously have never experienced. Dream on.

the people who disagree with the WFH policy are clearly laborers who couldn't begin to comprehend the benefits to both HON and the employees, but then again, that's why they're laborers. They labor off and on their various tasks, trying to not charge too much to overhead, lest they get RIFd too. The bottom line is, jealousy never got anyone anywhere.

Merry RIFmas, serfs.

Holy crap...lots of good points being made today. Bottom line is that the WFH crowd could never make it in a real business environment. Social misfits need to stay at home. Better yet, need to find other jobs at maybe Google or suttin'.

AMEN BROTHER! THOSE WFH LEECHES ARE SINKING THIS SHIP!!!!!

WHAT A LIFE!!!

Working from home. Ha. Wish I could all wake up, er....whenever....go out on the driveway to pick up the newspaper in my jammies...while sipping coffee and listening to the birds singing,...and watching the sun rise...then going back to my kids' bedrooms to watch them wake up and smile at me...then flip on my computer whenever I feel like it...maybe go out for a jog around the block...then come back...take a nap, and then work my normal 4-hour day.

All this, while my fellow Honeywellians battle traffic,...drop that $800 check off to day care while they drop their kids off...drive the 1 - 2 hours per day...and then do a real day's work at the office.

Can't wait for Cote to launch all of the WFH slobs from this sinking company.

OP is obviously unable to comprehend a situation outside of his or her own. This is considered HW leadership quality. Good luck with your failing business, the people with skills can chose to work elsewhere.

I am really surprised by the childish behavior I just read above. Yes I work from home 3 days a week to take care of my old and sickly mother. I do not abuse this and work more hours than most so that I can make sure she doesn't fall or slip. WFH is the way of the future (Apple, Google, Amazon) and if more ppl were allowed to do it there would not be a big need for big buildings that cost money to run (millions upon millions per year) and then the Corporation gets more work out of you because you don't clock in at 8 have a lunch break at 12 and clock out at 5 pm. The attitudes above are so negative. For some of us who have ailing and older parents when you are faced with that situation and you do get a chance to work from home - you will BE grateful that you had that option...........Think before you react to someone else's circumstance or do be a petulant child when writing like you are above.

@K3iro0k-1zvp

"An office visit quickly displays those who walk around looking for someone to b---s--- with, gym work-outs, long walks for exercise, long lunches and several breaks. At home, it is quiet and focused. The majority of time it is many more hours than would be put in at the office in a little gray cube."

EXACTLY! I work with NO ONE at my business location. ZERO. All my work is done virtually across multiple sites and time-zones. Now I have to do the exact same thing I did before, but with way more distractions and with time deducted for commuting. Dave Cote is a moron.

I find the people that complain about others working from home are the ones that could not be trusted with the benefit themselves.

It is the way of the future. Every communication is done through headphone and email, there is no reason to physically move your seat to the office unless you are hands-on, or immature and in need of warm fuzzies all day long.

An office visit quickly displays those who walk around looking for someone to b---s--- with, gym work-outs, long walks for exercise, long lunches and several breaks. At home, it is quiet and focused. The majority of time it is many more hours than would be put in at the office in a little gray cube.

Most large companies have this benefit and know how to save capital by offering it. It they don't, they are just behind the times. Better get used to the idea. In-office jobs are no longer - look around.

And if there is someone working remote that you can never get support from or is never on-line, report them as you would if they were in the office. Those people would be slacking no matter where they were sitting.

@1ETX -

It's attitudes like yours which will be the final straw to break HON'S back. Old time thinking and jealousy get nowhere in today's market. No wonder Dave is trying to sh*tcan all of us.

@OP

Opinions are like A55H00les, everyone has one.

OP made his point. WFH is for entitled moochers. I have to agree.

Time to move on, folks.

Attention old timers. Times change. Gone are the type writers and filing cabinets, replaced by computers. Gone are the fax machines and letters, replaced by email. As such, gone are the days if needing to drive into a site everyday. It only matters that the work gets done, not WHERE it gets done. WFH was a real cost benefit to many of us old and young and now it's gone for no reason other than to drive attrition. It's just another example of HON taking away yet expecting more and more from us. The time has come for us to say no more taking. My fight is to refuse to work ANY OT. Not in the office, not at home. Don't like it? I guess you have to PIP me or give me a 9 on my next review. Either way, I just don't give a sh*t anymore. I've been a top performer for years always staying late, working projects, making sure everything got done and my department ran smoothly. What was my reward for my trouble? No raises in 3 years, pay reductions in the form of furloughs, constant RIFs, WFH taken away and now no dental coverage for 2017. The time has come to leave and as I look for another job, I will do as little as possible for 8 hours per day only until I leave.

I agree there is a place for occasional WFH... Blizzards, have an occasional emergency, etc. however, most of my co workers are always at home, including directors and bosses who manage people. If you want to be a leader, you have to see your people and be seen. And before people get too nuts, I don't support anyone in the office I am located at. But people still come to me to solve problems of theirs, because I'm there. if I can get up every morning and go to the place that issues my paycheck, I'll do it. And for those whining about your commute... It was your choice to seek employment at a company that's located far from your home. S--- it up and get into the office...Millemials...that's whatgrown up professionals do.

I am sorry, OP. Obviously you are a very miserable person. I truly hope your life gets better. Then maybe one day you can have good relationships with others and not always be so nasty and maybe you can even have some friends one day.

Yes, thx for the correction...Sort of petty in the big scheme of things, just like monitoring where the work gets done vs. tracking results. Btw, I do go into the office every day for my current role. My comments re: education level and rating were a direct response to the characterization by the OP that employees who WFH are lazy and lack demonstrable results.

Did you mean to say that the OP has said his "piece", instead of "peace", Mr. Intellectual Upper Elbow?

Another long, drawn-out diatribe from a stereotypical mouth breather trying to justify the WFH entitlement. Good luck with that, son.

The OP, and others with the same archaic mentalities re: what constitutes what "working" looks like, are the equivalent of corporate dinosaurs. Those of us who are productive and get results wherever/however (and before you go there, I also hold an advanced degree, have been an upper elbow employee for years, and have held jobs both where I've gone into the office every day, and GASP! roles where I've Actually WORKED remotely almost exclusively)

welcome the next corporate Ice Age and your extinction in the workplace of the future. And before you post yet another ignorant, misinformed comment intimating the work ethic, and/or performance, of anyone who does not subscribe to your outdated and small-minded views, please refrain. You've said your peace, albeit in a most hostile and infantile manner.