Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's The Update

Over the past month, several of us have been able to piece together some of what is transpiring, despite the fact that our workgroup is not based in the US. Some of this remains rumour, but much is already confirmed and underway. Oracle is, as always, slow to address any of this internally or externally, but rest assured Trained Oracle Spin Monkeys are working overtime to hone their razor-sharp messaging, and a glorious onslaught is planned for January.

Confirmed: Solaris 12 is dead. Some (not all) of the newer Solaris work will be pushed into Solaris 11 "dot releases", starting with 11.4 next year. Solaris priorities going forward: support Cloud, ZFS and ZFSSA, and other tactical initiatives. OpenStack support is relegated now to 'client-only', and Docker will likely never come to fruition in Solaris. General-purpose Solaris and general-purpose SPARC-based server systems are now second-level priorities; expect both to trail off over the next two to three years.

Attempting to shove partially-cooked, disparate pieces of an unfinished major OS release into a minor OS release will be, as can be expected, messy. Full of sound and fury, signifying restructuring, and the continuing gnashing of teeth is full-tilt this weekend, even as this is written.

Confirmed: The successor to the SPARC S7 chip (codenamed 'Sonoma Next' or 'S8') has been shelved indefinitely, as have plans for any systems based on that chip. Current S7-based systems will continue to be sold for now.

Confirmed: SPARC M8 and M9 chips are unaffected for now, and systems based on those are still on schedule - just expect fewer models and fewer options. Expect M-series chips to power the tiny Solaris corner of Oracle's Cloud, not S-series.

Confirmed: Linux "two dot oh" (including Linux on SPARC) was given the go-ahead by Mssr Fowler last month; it will provide the basis for all Oracle Public Cloud "control planes" going forward; Solaris "guest VMs" are still planned as of this writing.

Confirmed: Engineered Systems continue on, to eventually be folded into OPC as Cloud Machines and then Cloud Services.

Still Unclear: The future of Oracle's X86-based systems. Lively execu-level debate on this topic continues, apparently.

Confirmed: Systems customers and 'partners' (see below) will soon be told that they need to (read this in Ahnold's voice) Get Their Asses to the Oracle Cloud. Or else.

Confirmed: Systems' priorities going forward: 1) Cloud, 2) Cloud, 3) Cloud, 4) ZFSSA, 5) Solaris 11 "dot releases", 6) Updating everyone's CV

Confirmed: Systems' hardware and software partners will only be seen as important to Oracle in tactical situations. Or if they resell our products. All right, all right, to be honest what we just stated has been true since Oracle bought Sun, but now Oracle won't try to pretend quite so much. We think.

Confirmed: There are four classes of employee in Systems as of this week: 1) Notified they are probably 'safe' for the moment; 2) Pushed to relocate to other parts of Oracle; 3) Already notified of termination (several China-based Solaris groups, for example); 4) Totally in the dark (meaning that they are likely on the lists turned over to HR this week for termination next month). We have also heard of several key Solaris engineers who have already chosen to leave Oracle of their own accord.

Confirmed: Morale in Oracle Systems Division is at an all-time low. Outside the US (where things can develop much more slowly), we're mostly in the dark and apprehensive. "Continue with your assigned duties," we're told. These are not cheerful times around the office. Concern, anger, hopelessness and confusion all smoulder close to the surface. The most likely scenario at this point has targeted employees not being informed of their demise for at least another 3-5 weeks, so Happy Christmas to us all!

Still Unclear: The extent of near-term terminations. The fifty percent figure actually seems a bit high to us at present, although perhaps the sum of layoffs plus attrition plus reassignment could come close to that. Some organisations will be eliminated, while others are likely to be virtually unaffected for now. Check back with us next summer, won't you?

By the by, in case anyone was curious about something Mssr Hurd failed to mention during Thursday night's earnings call, Oracle Q2 hardware revenue was off another 10% (year over year) to US$1B. In case the "Why" component of all this remains in doubt.

We miss you, Scott.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz
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I learned to be an SA with Solaris, starting in 1995. Over the years I watched it's decline as Linux matured. I also learned that the open source community was way more valuable as an SA when it came to fixing bugs, getting help, etc.

I will not miss Solaris in the least bit.

_ Kevin

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-Yuja

Claim is STK tape dead, anyone has details?

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-Ftno

Anyone has details?

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-Fpdv

"Oracle laying off hundreds in Santa Clara"

Oracle this week moved to lay off about 450 employees in its Santa Clara hardware systems division, according to a letter sent to the Employment Development Department.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-ztbi

200 in China were let go by 3/31.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-ztjh

@KTCW4qz-xpxo: Santa Clara is definitely affected by large amount. Not sure about east coast.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-znwl

Lots of folks let go everywhere in US, a very small fraction in APAC. No clue about UK.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-yipk

Anything happened in Burlington and Santa Clara ?

Seems to be radio silent there.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-xpxo

Yep.. it happened. Lots of movements of bits and pieces to other areas (mostly Linux and LDoms) and lots of people are let go.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-xyja

Thursday seems to be Layoff day

I was in one Thursday 08/18/2016

involving a few hundred per document provided

in package

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-wbvb

Lots of my teammates and myself have been asked to meet managers tomorrow. So, this is it !

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-wyee

My mgr scheduled a 15min 1-1 tomorrow (I am in Solaris group). So I guess, its happening

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-wlxe


by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-wapv

It's 18 Jan 17. Did anything happened?

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-warb

looks like it's coming true!

see the latest SPARC and Solaris road map posted today.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-winm

This is the oldest story in technology. Hell, I remember it when I worked at Wang Labs! If you're young, find a newer technology and this will be the best thing that ever happened to you. If you're old, good luck! If you're somewhere in the middle, seriously think about going back to school and rebooting your career.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-smic

The way this is being handled is very bad. Different orgs have different approaches on what is being disclosed. Some folks know they are going to be let-go, and their counterparts in other org have no clue whatsoever. At least be gracious enough to inform folks 1 month before they are let go , so that they can start looking for jobs, and cut them free from their day to day duties for the last month. With morale being low, it doesnt seem squeezing that extra work in the last month has any value whatsoever.

Anyways, sayonara Solaris. I truly loved you ! So much better , stable then linux, although in the last few years had become too geeky for GPOS, and of-course couldn't scale in cloud.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-kaai


Storage is definitely not going to be affected. They are the money makers in the whole acquisition arena. Both ZFSSA and Pillar make money, and they serve their own niche market, with Pillar focusing on flash storage.

BTW, Pillar is LE's personal investment, so I doubt anything will happen to it. ZFSSA is really popular due to its competitive pricing, so I also doubt anything will happen to it. Solaris will be minimized to only serve for ZFSSA need, that is, if ZFSSA isn't moving to Linux.

STK? Who cares about tapes?

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-kryc

None I mean NONE of the companies Oracle merged with were ever "integrated".

The managers protected themselves, as is human nature. The amount of time wasted in useless meetings at Oracle boggle the mind. The matrix management style due to the overhang of management .vs. the actual engineers dying actual work is about 80/20. Similar to other "great" organizations. Best of luck.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-khoh

Made the news? Link please?

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-kxtz

Apparently made the news. STK Tape dead - 1969-2017 RIP, quite a run for an old technology.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-jvbi

Don't feel too bad every tech company is going through this same thing. Go ask Intel employees and former. It's a sign of the times. Changing times and change is hard. Time to make new plans.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-jowg


isn't Pillar already dead?

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-jfbt

Will Storage be affected by this RIF? If so, which area of Storage is most likely to be affected?

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-jcxp

Don't get mad, get even: contact media and the Pres elect and let them know what's happening :)

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-jtze


Finda job. Didn't you learn in kindergarten the world is not fair. No one is going to hold your hand through this. Didn't you get paid a lot in your years at Oracle? Did you save? Did your house appreciate in value? You benefited as much as any manager. It's understandable you are angry but at the end of the day its your responsibility and no one else's to sustain yourself and your family. Not LE or any other CEO.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-jdmh

Here's a question, here in California we have had some meetings with our management team. These f---ing a--holes try to explain why we're going to f--- over your family and so on. Then you have the idiots respond on this sounding board. "Oh be prepared, it's a free market, oh it's business" Funny thing is, any a--hole that says that is a over paid sh-- head manager at Oracle. Why: they didn't get f---ed like a lot of us. And the fact that won't man up "sorry you Hillary supports" or woman up, their cowards; trying to cover their own asses. So bend over, smile, be a "A" s-xual person and take it up the a-- as you get your f---ing check. So f--- you and f--- you.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-jwqm

So to every manager at Oracle, mostly the f---ing idiots under Solaris development. F--- you.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-jomt

1) Notified they are probably 'safe' for the moment; 2) Pushed to relocate to other parts of Oracle; 3) Already notified of termination (several China-based Solaris groups, for example); 4) Totally in the dark (meaning that they are likely on the lists turned over to HR this week for termination next month)

Number one, B.S. Unless your a US employee, you don't find out until the day you're fired. There is no safe area's, only bone headed management trying to protect their solaris a-- kissers. I hope every Senior director that has solaris development gets to experience what all the rest of us a-- holes feel. So F--- you Oracle and f--- off.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-jyvf

Hey You really think Trump gives a dam person - there is a simple way to find out: get in touch with him and let him know about the purported Jan 17 RIF - see what if anything he does about it

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-idwd


Good Grief.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-ieft

Ignore previous post, wrong thread...

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-icbr


Oracle as a company is just sticking to the different local regulations (in this case, probably to its dislike), so this is not a case of Oracle being nicer to employees in certain geos.

Thank your local labor regulations. or lack thereoff.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-iasc

You can use Signal to get in touch with the NYT

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-ixct

What's sropping you from letting Triump and the media know?! Just do it !

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-ivud

I hear Jan 17th now, will it be a phone call from your manager (who will also be RIFed likely the same day) or a FedEx package or an email ? Or hr calling an in person meeting ?

I wonder if Trump comes to know about this, what would he have to say. He just saved Carrier and Ford from outsourcing.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-isxu

I totally failed to manage properly. LE is punishing me and rightly so. I have to cut 50% this month. My head count is about 4000. Solaris 12 is dead. SPARC is not going to be continued much longer. Much of the systems and storage hardware groups are gone before Jan 31; x86 will continue and will use Linux. Frankly I apologize for being so full of myself. I should have been canned along with my dear friend My Little Pony!

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-ihrb

I have friends in QA and they all pretty much confirm this. I do understand business decisions, but it doesn't mean I have to agree with or like them. Would be nice to see Fujitsu pick up the slack in both technology and manpower, but I suppose that is wishful thinking.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-hluv

"Wow. I am surprised and shocked/sorry to learn that your director told you to "Don't make waves. Don't challenge policies. NEVER challenge management. DO NOT ASK FOR A RAISE...."

Don't be. Actually, the person who delivered that message from our director was a manager inserted into our structure that had waaaay too many managers in the first place, which reflects other comments here.

"And that's why Sun lost so much money and sold itself to Oracle. Oracle is the new owner and you have to follow it's rules and regulations. Sun was a badly managed company, no fiscal discipline. We all should be grateful to Oracle. I do still see a lot of ex-Sun b---s---s going on at Oracle till these days."

What is "b---s---s"? True, Sun didn't always have a lot of grownups running the show. The largest failure, other than making Johnathan Swartz the CEO, was their failure to properly monetize not only their products but the technical support. You could buy the cheapest Ultra 1 workstation, then call in to get service on your E25k, and that was a mild case. Sure, Oracle fixed that but killed the Solaris business with their reputation. Unless you were already beholden to Oracle, no one wanted to deal with them. Oracle didn't care, they had grand plans for making Solaris the "Cloud OS" for their Engineered Systems. How is that working out for them? Still in touch with many of my former co-workers and hope they will be OK.

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-edfa

Oracle is a big, bureaucracy, the federal government pales in comparison. Unfortunately, the people being RIFed are not the useless bureaucrats. Go figure

by | Post ID: @KTCW4qz-erub

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