Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

I honestly feel bad for those posting here, but......it will get better

Time to wake up from dreaming. Place has always been a meat-grinder and none of you are the first to believe it would last. You don't have to like it - just accept it. I do feel your pain and it is understandable that you feel betrayed. Try to put it behind you. No one betrayed you except for yourself. You're first mistake was in believing that you were/are special and that it's the foolish managers that are just too dense or greedy to see that they need you and should respect your sacrifice - BTW, most of them are in deep trouble too and the smart one's realize it. This Corp simply does not care about you beyond what you earn them and even that has a short shelf life. Once you leave - and yes, you really should have the sense to leave - you'll be much happier. And stop for a minute to think about the upside of your situation. With all the bad - probably truthful from your standpoint - being said and discussed here you really need to think about the upside of what you have learned in the rough-n-tumble world of global software/hardware sales/consulting/development/whatever. You have something a lot of people don't, you've seen how the game is played in the 'Bigs' and that's something you can sell to another employer along with your primary skills. You know what it takes to not only survive but to thrive in this business and if you're really as smart as you think you are and you want to move on to bigger and better things then you'll let this unpleasant part of your career go and make something of it. Think about it, if you really paid attention to the Corp and watched its moves over the years you really should have known that you wouldn't last. Meaning if after a few years of employment you truly didn't realize that you should be in a protected position of power (and the pay/options to go with it) then you're not company material and you should have prepared yourself for this day or had already left for something better (if you've ever been to Las Vegas you should have known this already). Anyway, if this came as a shock to you and others, well, thank Uncle L for that second life lesson. Either way, he's been a much better uncle that's taught us all how to make money and survive in this business than he gets credit for. Think about it this way, it is his company and at best, you are a distant cousin not related by blood. Point - Why 'love' something or someone who is never gonna 'love' you back? Now you know so see things for what they are and don't make that mistake again.

These threads say basically the same thing as people who worked there 15-20 years ago. There's really nothing new being shared or said here - well one thing has changed, the forum is a lot cooler than what we had. It was rough then too and there was less opportunity. You will all be fine. Just think like LE and protect your interest from here on. That's our world. And don't foolishly believe any of the other Corps I've seen mentioned here are that different. They are NOT so don't risk yourselves and family falling into that trap again. They didn't get this big in a cut-throat world by being saints. They're chasing the money and prestige just like your current/former employer and guess who is going to be the one's earning it for them? Hint: their brand new employee's just laid-off from......

And one other thing, stop trashing the people, technology and products. This is some really good stuff that works and works well for millions of people around the world. Look around and you'll see that this technology supports systems that keeps us all healthy & safe from nastiness you see in the media. Plus, your next job is likely going to depend upon selling your skills and abilities supporting these products. So, unless you're going to leave the Corp off your resume and tell your next employer that these products are junk, let it go and move on like the professional you're selling yourself to be. Having this job on your resume doesn't s---...Shred away....

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I was not an HR person. Was in OCS for about 5 years during the dot.com days. Saw firsthand how people paid a lot of money for what amounted to nothing of much benefit. I was told that if a salesperson wasn't making $500K then s/he was deemed unsuccessful. Guess it's different today since there's way too many competing solutions.

The Cloud isn't a miracle solution anymore than any other product. It has its uses and that'll be oversold to make money for the vendors. We all know that and it really shouldn't surprise anyone. The industry I'm in will not quickly embrace the Cloud because they don't trust the Cloud or Cloud vendors and rightfully so. Don't forget, trust & security matter a lot more than sales people understand. A lot of these buyers survived the dot.com era and know better and having some 20-30 year old call trying to sell this stuff to highly educated and experienced engineers and managers is a fool's errand. Age discrimination cuts both ways and it's funny to watch the newbies try to appear credible to the 50+ year old engineers and managers pushing the new and improved solution they call the Cloud. These people know that these kids - you should know how you're viewed by your customer - don't have the experiences to know what is best for the customer. Especially since the previous - layed off - rep sold them million$$ of software and hardware products before they left telling them this was exactly what they needed.

Anyway, they'll wait and see who goes to the Cloud and see what the real issues are and how that works out. Most already have their data centers modernized and they're running great on the Microsoft & Oracle environments hosting their apps now. They also have the staff that's trained and knows what they're doing. Microsoft and Oracle has made sure there's a lot of highly trained technical staff and engineers that are up to the job of keeping these centers running for a long time and there is no incentive to risk breaking apart a good situation and having to explain it.

True, LE didn't do it all on his own. But that doesn't really matter now does it. All I'm trying to do is to tell you that it was a bubble-trap then and it is the same thing now for most people. This business will eventually chew you up so just prepare yourself for that. I worked with big O people who were at the top of their game during the dot.com era - a few in the $400-$500 hour range with 100% plus utilization - and they were deemed untouchable. And they were for another 2-3 years until they were cut. Wasn't their fault, they sacrificed family and their homelife just like the crew today. It was just that they weren't part of the chosen one's to move forward with the direction someone sold the Corp on. Believe me, they will lose money just to change directions and will not care one bit about you or your revenue stream. I saw that for 5 years and it appears nothing has changed.

It's pretty simple. Be perfectly clear what your current and future value is to the company and any potential employer. I was paid exceptionally well, assigned highly visible projects and won my share of awards and trips from my consulting group. I saw what was happening and decided to leave on my own accord because I knew that the clock was ticking. People thought I was pretty foolish for leaving when I did. Sorry to say some were gone in under a year.

No one there was bad, no one was evil - ok, that's a judgement call I guess. It's just the way they do business and I accepted that as part of the job. Still, the advantages to those leaving are real in that you are walking out the door with skills and abilities that have significant market value. I know because that's exactly what I did. My time there was both wonderful and miserable, but that's OCS. I'm much better off professionally and financially for having been an O employee. My bet is you will be too once you get past the current miserable situation.

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Post ID: @zgx+OxgxKQq

Then why uncle did not want to sale the HW to someone else? There are many cool stuff that people have to spend couple of decades to catch up?! Why uncle wanted to throw it into graveyard than selling it to some other companies? Weird.

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Post ID: @ypl+OxgxKQq

It's Every (wo)man for her/himself.

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Post ID: @qdp+OxgxKQq

"Either way, he's been a much better uncle that's taught us all how to make money and survive in this business than he gets credit for."

LE's greatest asset and biggest weakness is that he charged every cent (and more) that he could. It created enormous wealth for himself and growth for Oracle. It also led to customers getting tired of being screwed over by high prices while simultaneously getting poor documentation and support to go with it. Everyone who enjoyed the ride up did so due to the enormous profit margins. Unfortunately, to a large extent, that ride is now over.

"This is some really good stuff that works and works well for millions of people around the world."

The IBM mainframe has its place in the history of IT for its stability and longevity. Oracle is joining the legacy list. What it does is amazing and it still works well for millions, but its growth has now stalled mainly due to the burdensome licensing, support and legal requirements while alternatives that are vastly less expensive have become viable. Further, it was largely designed for the client/server age and never fully made the turn to internet/Cloud. You can reminisce about the Good 'Ol Days all you want, but those days are past.

"protect your interest from here on"

Exactly. Oracle is in a tough spot due to denying the Cloud was real, seeing that competitors were building things that were "good enough" to take over a majority of the database workloads (while being less expensive) and having one of the highest profit margins to try and maintain. As a business, Oracle doesn't have a lot of options and their interests will be at odds with yours. Absolutely protect your own interests.

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Post ID: @dxp+OxgxKQq

True, Oracle tech is good. Oracle cloud is a hodge podge and marketing hype with little to no investment from Oracle in infrastructure. Oracle has always been a competitive environment. The fed their reps and SCs well in field sales.

Field sales is a dead man walking. Its one sole purpose is to sell cloud by traveling site to site for in person meetings. That is the change. If you are not in OD, this is your last year at Oracle. You have no support. You have no way to successfully prove out a technical case. Your customers can not demo the Oracle cloud. If you do happen to sell ExaCS you have to wait for them to install it before the customer can use it. There is no ready installed capacity for on demand provisioning. The exadata has to be built, shipped and installed. You may need a 6 week lead time. Your ECAs have to share a cloud account in EMEA to do a demo that often returns 500 and 404 errors. Dedicated compute doesn't talk to any otehr cloud services. Gen one cloud is EOL and Gen 2 bare metal is not fully rolled out. Sparc cloud does not run on bare metal. Nothing works together out of the box, and your brain power on Oracle technologies has been severely drained over the past 3 years.

Like it or not, you can either take a huge pay and jump in OD or you can look for a job elsewhere. That is your two options.

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Post ID: @aaq+OxgxKQq

oracle would be nowhere today without employees that gave all to the products they built and evolved at oracle. This poster makes it sound like LE did it all. It's BS. YES, It's his co. But he didn't get here by himself. A lot of good talented people gabe of them selves towards what they thought was a shared goal.

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Post ID: @evo+OxgxKQq

This reads like it was written by someone in HR to encourage people to leave. Many employees have worked for 20-50 years in large companies that care a lot more about their employees than Oracle does. It is management's choice to withhold info from employees, thus necessitating bulletin boards like this one.

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