Problem with 5g is it doesn't cover very far or go through walls very well. If house doesn't have line of sight to tower it will not work very well.
That's why why Wireline is hiring like crazy, to place and splice all the new fiber
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“It will be easier to plop a pole in a neighborhood than connect homes via fiber,”
That is from Ericsson not my step mom. LOL
On the XO network: The company's own fiber database shows a significant majority of XO's US backbone as "leased". Is there more that the database doesn't show?
OMG, the same knucklehead who went mute when called out on his Connecticult central office BS is back, but not to answer the unanswered question that was posed to him before he went silent. C’mon @6hkk, give your wishful thinking imagination a rest.
Go upstairs. Your stepmom is calling you.
"Verizon wireless needs Verizon wireline and they always will. Everything works together. "
Just like we need you in the markets we off loaded to Frontier and now are launching 5G? Don't kid yourself the goal is to replace fios and last mile with a wireless alternative. The backhaul is obviously going to be needed but it is not going to be Verizon Union workers supplying or maintaining it.
If their was just another Frontier out there to buy the rest of our dead weight. Watch the quarterly earnings and listen to the questions from the market about 5G. You will then have a better understanding of where our business is going and where the revenue is currently coming from.
In the past/today Wireless leased lines from all carriers. Lets say the cost over 3 years from point A to B was 1 million dollars. The new sheriff's in town (landline folks) believe...hey let's spend 2 million, we will own the fiber, as opposed to leasing, and at the end of 3 years you have nothing. And also light up some private buildings while we're at it. The fiber for Cell sites sounds like a good idea, but I believe they're a little late to the game on the private bldgs. Companies like Spectrum were/are very aggressive and get the Job done at no cost to the customer, Verizon wanted the customer to spend thousands. Also, property managers don't want more carriers in their bldgs.
@3cip, perhaps your comments were needlessly hurtful or ignorant or, maybe, they were deemed as adding nothing intellectually to the conversation the adults were having?
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Not sure why my comments were deleted
"Its a well known secret that XO fiber network is in fact 90% leased from other providers, and there is a cost savings effort to migrate all systems to VZb and t network."
Wrong. The part of the business that made real money for XO was wholesale services on the XO network. How could they make money and offer the lowest prices if you were, in fact, leasing 90% of their network from other providers?
"XO provides voice, Internet access, transport services, backhaul, security, and cloud
connectivity services through its extensive fiber-based IP and Ethernet network, which is among
the largest in the nation."
-- Dish Network (FCC petition to deny -- Verizon XO merger)
"The size and density of the XO network makes the proposed transaction
especially harmful because XO’s nationwide network is among the largest, operates in tier 1, tier
2, and tier 3 markets, and has a very deep central office density."
-- INCOMPAS -- representing EarthLink, Inc., Windstream Services, LLC, and BT
Americas Inc (FCC petition to deny -- Verizon XO merger)
"The XO network is one of the industry’s most advanced as a result of ongoing investment and modernization. Our long history of innovation includes the first 100G coast-to-coast network."
"Extensive Metro Network Coverage and Local Reach
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Metro fiber networks in 40 major metropolitan markets
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13,500 route-mile metro fiber network
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4,000+ on-net buildings with 1,000+ unique central office or local serving office locations
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Provides services to the majority of US businesses in XO service areas
National Coverage
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19,000 route-mile, inter-city network in US and Canada
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85 major metropolitan markets served across the US and Canada
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Network speeds up to 100 Gbps nationwide
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The industry’s first coast-to-coast 100 Gbps network
-- XO Communications -- A Verizon Company website.
Its a well known secret that XO fiber network is in fact 90% leased from other providers, and there is a cost savings effort to migrate all systems to VZb and t network.
The idea that XO was bought for their fiber is odd to say the least.
"Fixed 5G =Wireless.. Last mile no longer needs landline. Once the fiber is ran to the nodes goodbye union."
Fiber isn't "landline"? Does it float in the air? I'll break it to you gently -- "landline" has been using fiber for a long time. Long before people started replacing POTS phones with cell phones.
"Once the fiber is run..." Then what? Does it magically maintain itself? Does it magically expand itself when new wireless "nodes" are installed?
I don't know what you were taught, but a cell phone call from New York to Los Angeles is always going to rely on "landlines". Or do you imagine a time when that call will be handled exclusively by thousands of cell towers, handing the call off every couple of miles?
5G will also run on fiber "landlines". That's why Verizon bought XO Communications for their fiber network. XO also had a lot of 28 and 38 GHz bandwidth, which Verizon hopes to use for 5G. This is LMDS. It's powerful and can carry a lot of data but it's line of site and very limited in range. XO didn't sell much of it, but typically it was sold to connect separate offices of the same company in the same local area.
Every cell phone company needs "landlines". If they don't have their own, they have to pay to use someone else's.
Verizon wireless needs Verizon wireline and they always will. Everything works together. That's why it's called a "network".
They got rid of most of the workforce and the ones left behind who did not know the job became project managers.
Now they realise they messed up and need someone to actually do the work (their contracted engineering idea failed too) and not have ten PM's wondering why nothing is getting done.
Hiring in PA is due to a PUC decision that Verizon must show they are trying to take care of all the double wood in the state.
Once they are caught up, EISP for Linemen,
Last mile?? Lol.... 5G has really small coverage area so vz will need alot Antennas everywhere. Which will require a ton of splicing
Fixed 5G =Wireless.. Last mile no longer needs landline. Once the fiber is ran to the nodes goodbye union.
@SKf7Sod-vzy: Cripes
@SKf7Sod-jqi Don’t bring Jesus in to this and improperly spell his name, have some shame.
lmao right so airtouch, gte,etc had no wires or switching offices. get over yourselves. wireless and wireline do the same things. geezus.
Simple answer: Verizon Wireline is a provider, it builds out fiber and dedicated circuits. There has been an increase of programs that even contractors are unable to keep up with. Verizon Wireless has ODAS that Wireline is building out all the feeder and distribution fiber to all the nodes (all Wireless does it provide the GPS coordinates and contractors come and connect the nodes on the poles). You have Network Transformation, migrating all the customers from Copper to FiOS. Conditional Open for Sale is another new intitiative among several others. At the end of the day, Wireline is the backbone to all of what’s being built out (95%), there is an increase in new hires because certain parts of the job can’t be done by vendors or contractors. Wireless is seeing a decline because it’s no longer considered profitable, it generates $1 for every $1 spent. If you notice, Verizon is focusing on Fixed 5G, which will mainly focus on services for Businesses and then eventually Residential customers, not so much cellular service.
You tell 'em!!
If you haven't figured it out by now, landline IS the network NOT your little tower-to-the-phone connection that gets tacked on at the end. Landline has needed people for many years and now they're getting them. Meanwhile wireless is rightfully getting cut. Should have unioned up you dummys!
Who do you think built this first class network? It wasnt rookies and I'm sure they won't be able to maintain or build out 5g. Good work!
yeah let's hire a bunch of inexpensive people so nothing gets done and they go to their devops classes.
about time!
Since when does VZ care about its customers or employees?
That's what I want as customer. A bunch of rookies who can't find their butts with two hands and a flashlight.
About time!
New hires are paid less with fewer benefits.
Now VZ can give an EISP to get the older more expensive people off the payroll.
About time!