Why does Oracle layoff great people in one area without offering 60 days to apply for an internal shift to another group? It would seem to be financially prudent and then morally prudent for morale.
Also are all the openings on Oracle Career Board fake news?
I know of some who did get hired.
Yes, there are a few. But they are the exception that proves the rule. I think under our VP we got about three before word came down we were not allowed to take anymore.
"When the Solaris people were let go, we wanted to hire a few of them, but were told we were not allowed. "
I know of some who did get hired.
Read the article on IBM. There are a lot of tricks that can be used to get rid of the older developers and Oracle has added to the IBM playbook.
When the Solaris people were let go, we wanted to hire a few of them, but were told we were not allowed. They were basically blacklisted, even though they were told to look for other openings in the company.
This should answer all your questions about this matter:
https://features.propublica.org/ibm/ibm-age-discrimination-american-workers/
Because oracle plain wants to get rid of people, especially older, experienced ones who cost more. Now, they’re also much more productive, but the 3 stooges are not that bright and can barely see to the tips of their noses, so the argument of hanging on to good people is completely lost on them. Heck, Class of ... is such a great success, NOT!
"This is how all the big old software companies are operating now."
Most big companies do it this way now. You don't automatically get transferred to a new job, you have to apply for it like you were an outsider. Heck, most places don't even give promotions anymore. If you want to move up to say "Principal Engineer" from "Senior" you have to apply for a Principal job, like you were an outsider. As I once heard at another company "The Principal is the job, not the engineer", and if you were a Principal about to get laid off, if you found a new job that was only "Senior" you would get demoted (this was not at Oracle)
I have worked in both types of layoffs. The layoff is better than transferring to other departments. You might end up in a worse situation where you hate the product far more such as doing obsolete technologies and picking up useless skill set. I would rather take the severance package and go find something I like to do. Typically, when a company is having constant layoffs, it is time to walk away. The company is all about bottom line, there will be waves of layoffs throughout the year. You will live in constants fears. Just my 2 cents.
"One of Oracle’s big failings is that approval to post a job opening is separate from approval to hire, so it’s easy to post a listing, get resumes, and interview folks, but when you want to make an offer, you need all new approval for that, which can take forever or get rejected. Meanwhile the good candidates don’t wait for months and find better jobs at saner companies in the meantime. "
I have heard through the grapevine that this process is changing.
One of Oracle’s big failings is that approval to post a job opening is separate from approval to hire, so it’s easy to post a listing, get resumes, and interview folks, but when you want to make an offer, you need all new approval for that, which can take forever or get rejected. Meanwhile the good candidates don’t wait for months and find better jobs at saner companies in the meantime. This is known as being so horribly broken that they keep promising a New Hiring Process to fix the dysfunction but at this point Oracle is pretty unfixable.
It seems that 30 day thing only applies in certain countries. For most people in the US, you either sign up for FEDEX notifications to warn you of an impending overnight delivery from Oracle, or you just get a “surprise! You don’t have a job” phone call/ email from your manager.
In either case, they do not want you because you are either too old, do not have the skill mix they want (the oracle internal training is just glorified marketing decks that no one takes seriously), they are wiping out support for your product or you just cost too much in salary and benefits.
Keywords are They. Don’t. Want. You. Period
No number of internal job postings will save you.
This is how all the big old software companies are operating now.
Just ask the folks at Eye Bee Em. Big expose on how they like to cut ”grey heads”, even the ones who are at the top of their game. Google it to see how these big old companies are getting away with age discrimination. Don’t doubt for a second that Oracle is doing the exact same thing. Heck, The Turd practically invented this strategy !
Move on. These old dinosaur orgs do not deserve you.
Oracle doesn't maintain the job postings system very well. I still see positions open in my group that I know were filled years ago. Also, the purpose of the layoffs is to cut costs in order to maintain margins and earnings per share. SC does not care about morale.
Some people who are laid off are given 30 days to find another job within Oracle, but that is a joke. Nobody has headcount (especially in teams that still work with on prem technology), and nobody wants to hire someone who is laid off from another team. Oracle's hiring process is very disorganized and difficult. Some job postings that you see on the website today are several years old and are no longer active - the system does not get maintained.