Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Thomas Kurian appointed to run Google's Cloud Platform.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/16/google-cloud-ceo-greene-being-replaced-by-former-oracle-exec-kurian.html

Googlers, I feel so bad for you.

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Post ID: @OP+WaHRX4c

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It seems possible that TK was not the problem. Maybe the real problem was LE's cluelessness about what the cloud was. Could be TK will succeed at google?

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Post ID: @1Xzkk+WaHRX4c

TK will destroy Google cloud; he’s a trojan horse from LE and MH.

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Post ID: @1Xadz+WaHRX4c

Here is a 20K view thread with 100 responses focusing on TK and his group (last year):

@QfAKigt

or

thelayoff.com/t/QfAKigt

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Post ID: @4guu+WaHRX4c

I love Google's tech but they have no idea how to sell to the enterprise. They seem to be more interested in solving problems they care about rather than the problems customers care about. Amazon is much more obsessed with customer success than Google. That's a fundamental problem in the culture.

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Post ID: @4fdg+WaHRX4c

Google Cloud - a great product, a lot of potential, but no customers? Can TK sell? That's a billion dollar question.

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Post ID: @3ije+WaHRX4c

Can’t wait for thebdtoors of what an A: hole he is to start streaming out, give it 4 weeks max to start

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Post ID: @2vhi+WaHRX4c

@WaHRX4c-2yfa, this is brilliant analysis. I can't see this working out well for Google in the long term.

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Post ID: @2whd+WaHRX4c

Interesting timing. TK "stepped back" under two months ago and then this announcement. Hiring processes take time. Going from first interview to accepted offer in 7 weeks is very fast for Google. The timeline would seem to indicate that TK already knew he was going somewhere else when he "took some time" away from his role.

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Post ID: @2nup+WaHRX4c

If there is any consolation for Google it is that they don't have LE, MH or SC. Given LE's insistence that what he helped create (the relational database) has to be at the center of everything architecturally and later that every mismatched company he bought had to somehow be integrated together, TK's options were limited. With MH's focus on cutting costs while SC held back money from being spent, TK's options are limited also. In short, LE, MH and SC are the primary reasons why Oracle's culture is awful and why it is failing in the market.

While TK now has a fresh start, financial backing and really good technology, I'm not saying that he is somehow going to be a superstar. His teams at Oracle haven't produced anything substantially new or innovative, instead only maintaining and incrementally advancing what they've been handed. Fusion Apps, one of his biggest efforts, was a complete failure. Oracle was sued by the Department of Labor specifically because his organization discriminated against anyone who wasn't an Indian man. He is an autocratic, verbally abusive leader who surrounds himself with those who agree with him (which explains most of the previous failures/issues and is the biggest issue Google is going to face). Finally, TK has only run development (and poorly at that) but will now be expected to handle sales, marketing, etc., so he has much more that he can screw up.

At least from the sales side of the organization, I think he will initially be welcomed. Sales values things like confidence, being polished and persuasive public speaking ability -- all the things where the previous Cloud CEO was weak and TK is strong. From my perspective, I think that TK could actually show "success" over 2-3 years. The Google Cloud sales organization has been scaling up over the past year and that momentum will likely start to show significant gains startingin the next year -- all something that TK can claim credit for despite not earning any of it. In addition, his true, toxic self will take a while to impact his reports and it will take some time for people to leave and for the culture to shift. Even then, as long as enough people stay and Google's technology stays strong, things aren't going to implode. IMO, TK is likely setup to have a good 2-3 years and, potentially, more. However, I don't see that being true for those who work in his organization as it will increasingly become more like the environment at Oracle and people will either leave or will learn how to shield themselves and survive despite the toxicity.

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Post ID: @2yfa+WaHRX4c

Google guys shoot themselves in the foot, hire the last person on earth they should have hired, but hey, maybe they posed of LE, then again maybe they did LE a big favor by taking the guy he wanted to fire off his hands. It’s complicated.

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Post ID: @2ywo+WaHRX4c

"He repudiated oracle’s strategy and left LE - the CTO, mind you - to take the blame for all the cloud failures. Talk about a brilliant A-hole, totally f:ing LE over. "| Post ID: @WaHRX4c-1jrh

Unless this is some strategy to make Oracle and Google Cloud partners or more, have to agree that it was not being nice to LE.

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Post ID: @1nte+WaHRX4c

"TK knows thousands of enterprise customers".

Does does not mean those customer think fondly of him.

Good point, he might not have a lot of traction with them. Probably depends upon whether google has what they need or not.

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Post ID: @1uue+WaHRX4c

What would LJE be thinking now?

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Post ID: @1njf+WaHRX4c

Any examples of such a type as TK going from prickly to plushy just by changing companies? Did MH change his ways? Marissa from goog and yahoo? Don’t kid yourself. Maybe he will be calmer and more composed if he can get the support and resources he needs to do what is needed. Time will tell on that. If he is an f bomb throwing guy who likes to blames and humiliate, that probably won’t change.

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Post ID: @1ksd+WaHRX4c

YK can change right? He is fundamentally a very smart guy. Maybe his compulsions are different now.

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Post ID: @1mnj+WaHRX4c

Really surprised that Google would hire what I would consider a cultural misfit to run a critical piece of the business. If TK brings his autocratic, micro management style -then GOOG will suffer a serious setback in its cloud strategy.

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Post ID: @1ldq+WaHRX4c

The problem with Oracle’s cloud is that it is all smoke and mirrors. You can’t build a cloud when all the leadership cares about is financial engineering and then hiring the cheapest labor to write code, support it, and sell it. They would not invest in building out data centers. They do everything on the cheap and TK had enough. He was willing to go some place where they are willing to invest. That place is Google.

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Post ID: @1uci+WaHRX4c

@WaHRX4c-zaf

I fully agree with you. Let's give him the benefice of the doubt.

The 3 id--ts (senile lje, pervert mh and rom sc) destroyed oracle cloud. Let see what tk will do at google.

In any case oracle has no future in cloud business and is loosing the on premise business as well.

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Post ID: @1fls+WaHRX4c

People who left Oracle are the greatest competition to Oracle.

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Post ID: @1yhg+WaHRX4c

as an ex Oraclite, I feel proud that a product manager from Oracle, 24 years in Oracle, goes out and becomes a leader in Google. Kudos. Congrats TK. Feeling proud.

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Post ID: @1wfh+WaHRX4c

"TK's mobster intimidation game, complete with his f-word spewage won't work at Google."

I give him a month before he is asked to leave.

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Post ID: @1jbo+WaHRX4c

One thing you can very much predict here. Google Cloud division to go down. Will be the same fate as Oracle Cloud. I do see Google Cloud has the potential with Diane. CEO of the cloud killer.

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Post ID: @1tct+WaHRX4c

This just doesn't seem like a fit in so many ways.

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Post ID: @1bbh+WaHRX4c

Time for Google to start those audits. Then they will need buy some cloud to make the audit findings go away.

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Post ID: @1zsg+WaHRX4c

"TK knows thousands of enterprise customers".

Does does not mean those customer think fondly of him.

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Post ID: @1hxt+WaHRX4c

this is funny, and true too.. oh God,

"Kurian to Google Engineers "Who the Fk wrote this piece of crp? Didn't I tell you last week to go work on this? I did? Ok well I change my mind, put it back to the way it was 3 weeks ago and f---ng do it now you piece of sht!""

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Post ID: @1nph+WaHRX4c

Talk about an unforced error, the biggest in google’s history too.

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Post ID: @1unf+WaHRX4c

Oracle is not a cloud company.

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Post ID: @1aeb+WaHRX4c

TK is a winner and he made Oracle Cloud a premier platform amongst the Big Five Cloud vendors. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Google have made the correct decision by hiring TK. Who else can take Google Cloud to the next level?

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Post ID: @1acd+WaHRX4c

TK's mobster intimidation game, complete with his f-word spewage won't work at Google because the employees there are allowed to talk back without fear of being let go. More so, they can easily file HR complaints when he swears like a sailor and given Google's recent high-profile employee dissatisfaction with poor male behavior, HR will have no choice but to take it all seriously. He won't have his deep mafia hierarchy of yes-men around him there either to carry out misguided policies. Given that he's set for life, I do give him credit for returning to the action. I'm sure at #3 in the the cloud market he'll be looking to stomp on #5 (and dropping) whenever he can. Good luck Google Cloud Platform folks!

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Post ID: @1opf+WaHRX4c

It will be interesting to see what happens. There were a lot of other things wrong at Oracle besides TK. Although, given his reputation for screaming at people, he may change the culture there for the worse.

He certainly has the ability to take Oracle customers to Google though.

Hopefully he'll take some of the scumbags in upper management with him, too.

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Post ID: @1smv+WaHRX4c

This is why he got hired:

TK knows thousands of enterprise customers

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Post ID: @pfb+WaHRX4c

Awesome, TK will be responsible for the destruction of two cloud companies. First Oracle, now google.

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Post ID: @opv+WaHRX4c

TK knows thousands of enterprise customers, that's where google cloud is struggling. he failed at oracle in speed of execution because all legacy products are so screwed up in engineering and cannot scale to change needed for cloud. he is not going to face such a situation at google.

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Post ID: @zpy+WaHRX4c

You see a bunch of rats fleeing the sinking ship. There are only so many lifeboats.

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Post ID: @maw+WaHRX4c

TK, very characters of you. Oracle gave you employment and made you super, filthy rich for 20 years, not just few years, but 20 years and this is what you resigned (emphasize "resigned") then want to do to them. I know, I know it all about' "business decision", but it goes to show what kind of "true" characters you have, or lack of. It looked bad on Oracle, and now it looks bad on Google to put a guy like these in a leader position.

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Post ID: @usl+WaHRX4c

Kurian to Google Engineers "Who the Fk wrote this piece of crp? Didn't I tell you last week to go work on this? I did? Ok well I change my mind, put it back to the way it was 3 weeks ago and f---ng do it now you piece of sht!"

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Post ID: @joa+WaHRX4c

Spot on @WaHRX4c-zln. TK barely qualifies to wash dishes in Google cafeteria and as much as I appreciate some great pieces of engineering that came out of Google Cloud I can’t help but think that this is the beginning of the downward spiral.

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Post ID: @lns+WaHRX4c

OMG, by far the biggest F:up in google’s history, by a huge margin. May be fatal.

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Post ID: @epa+WaHRX4c

$@#&!!!!!

I'm an Oracle survivor who found a path out. I landed at Google where I really appreciated the difference in culture along with a significantly higher compensation and better benefits. This development is extremely concerning and many are wondering if Google's culture along with its chances for success in Cloud were just irreparably harmed.

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Post ID: @zln+WaHRX4c

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