Thread regarding Verizon Communications Inc. layoffs

Chortle chortle chortle blah blah blah.

“...Proud SCAB because when there's a job needing to be done I don't b***h and moan. I understand and respect what they fight for but it's that BS treatment like you mentioned that separates us.”

@1rda, you’re delusional. Don’t claim to “respect” what a hard working American is fighting for when you’re Benedict Arnold.

Embrace the side you chose, and cut out the fake “respect” malarkey.

Be honest to thyself. You attempted to undermine workers for your 30 pieces of silver.

Though we are diametrically opposed, had you at least manned up and been honest, you might have earned an inkling of respect. However, you, Proud Scab, deserve none.

"Hmmm the post about non union that had a job to do but was not doing the union peoples job were you a outside contractor or a manager forced to work,because if you were management forced to work you would actualy be doing the union employees job "

I'm management and was doing my regular full time job. I have a lab in a building where striking workers blocked off the entrance at the street. I was bringing in several truck loads of new equipment in support of a software development project. My lab and my job have nothing to do with the union workers.

@1vwx, I'm calling BS.

How exactly would one fill a water balloon with urine?

You're either a liar, or there are enormously powerful bladders, with balloon-filling powers, on the union side. Are your pants are on fire by any chance?

My guess is, you heard an urban legend that supported your anti-union agenda, you inserted yourself into the supposed occurrence to lend it undeserved credibility, and you then posted it.

Stop the BS, troll.

When a corporation pits one groups livelihoods against another it is to be expected. What many don't understand is there is legal NLRB playbook which both sides must play by sort of like the Geneva Convention used in war. One in the private sector has a federally protected right to strike within these rules. Firings can only occur if they are broken. Mangers who work in the field generally understand and even respect this. When the stoppage is over everyone needs to work together again. Good managers even tell their associates not to scab as they know they will never have a workable unit until the scab is transferred or promoted out of the work group as such a scumbag will never be tolerated.

No good leader wants the animosity. Unfortunately the higher ups are poor leaders and seem to nurture the strife. They seem to relish setting up tests of loyalty and resolve for the union or the company. The corporate leadership has a sick fetish not unlike a perverse John paying a prostitute just a little bit extra for an especially degrading act in an effort to see how low they can make her go. They almost always get the mangers to fold as they are unrepresented , but the real prize is to turn an associate into a scab knowing such a lowlife will never be able to effectively work in their job after the conflict. To do this to someone is like coercing the preacher's daughter into becoming a cheap wh--e them.

Ha ha pee filled water balloons that is so funny .I never would have though of something like that.So like did they walk around with these giant pee filled balloons in their hands till the right time or like hide behind bushes and stuff and launch them thats a original idea.I guess you realy p-ss-d them off Lol

I'm management employee who had done strike duty 3 times and was verbally abused, threatened, and had water balloons filled with urine thrown at me by union strikers.

It's hard to feel kinship with people like that.

I have no issue with the union and I am management. I believe most union members have no issue with me either. I respect and give people the pedestal when deserved. I was one of those managers who worked the strike. For the most part, most left me alone and I understood where they were coming from since I had started with NY Tel many years ago in the union. Unfortunately, respect doesn't always go both ways and I had to tell a couple of them to go F themselves after they attempted to intimidate me. I'm all for workers rights but do no many management that is given marching orders to cover the work while the issues get resolved. I can guarantee you, we do not plan to replace you as I have my own job to do. I can say that upper management has their own agenda that doesn't match those of lower management but by no means does that mean that I am or many others are anti-union.

Hmmm the post about non union that had a job to do but was not doing the union peoples job were you a outside contractor or a manager forced to work,because if you were management forced to work you would actualy be doing the union employees job unfortunately it would seem that the case here is exactly as the Op that asked question stated the high levels have created an enviroment of hate pitting union against management by forcing managers to fill in opposed to hiring scabs from outside the company that have no skin in game or hold any future resentment after it is all over

1kyj- Amen to that! Proud "SCAB" because when there's a job needing to be done I don't b***h and moan. I understand and respect what they fight for but it's that BS treatment like you mentioned that separates us.

Yeah and you’re ten times worse. Management is forced to cross the picket line or else be FIRED! So I’m supposed to lose my job for you? What about feeding MY family and providing a roof over their heads? Typical union thug. GFYS

Last poster it’s because you’re a SCAB. Your a low life scumbag.

I am non-union. During the last strike, I had a job to get done that required me and equipment I'd ordered to cross picket lines several times a day for a couple of weeks. My job and my division have absolutely nothing to do with the jobs of the union employees. I was sworn at, my car was spit at, I had union people taking pictures of me driving in and out of the facility. If I did any of that stuff to another employee, I would have been marched down to HR and instantly shown the door. I'm a professional, those guys behaved like animals. That behavior is what creates us vs them.

So i dont think the last post is entirely true i am friends with alot of the union people and some of the stuff was just going thru motions as would be expected on a strike but im sure there are some exceptions but on other side i did see some videos of some of the temp workers they seemed to dredge up from other states being just as disrespectfull and some criminal like .I actualy had a nieghbor get yelled at by one of the out of state workers sent to fill in on a trouble at house

I've got no respect for the Union. Many of them should have been fired during the last strike after they physically and verbally assaulted their fellow non-Union coworkers. After the deliberate acts of sabotage by Union workers, every one of them should have been fired. Just like Reagan did with the Air Traffic Controllers. Unfortunately senior management at the time had no balls.

Bottom line is certain departments have good managers and others don’t.

In my 20 years experience the best managers were the ones who recognized there employees at town hall meetings with the directors and above. This is how the first 10 years of my employment under Ivan was. We were respected employees and were constantly kept in the loop about the business, goals, and mission. Those goals were also very clear in black and white.

The past 10 years after Lowell took the reigns have been a disaster in terms of my management teams. These guys are truly clueless.

Today there is no clear picture. Sure they say 5G... we’ll thats wonderful. That’s just one thing we are selling that’s 90 percent sales and marketing and 10 percent technology. Will it work? We shall see. 60-300 gigahertz isn’t exactly proven yet.

I think it realy depends greatly on location and libe of buisness.Engineering or inside is very different .Unfortunately for years in nj field technicians were lined up every morning to see who could be suspended for something just because the higher ups mandated that the managers had to suspend a certain quota of union techs and with forced overtime and working conditions this created an atmosphere of anger and hate .I do believe this has changed a bit with a change in some of the leadership over the years and fact that it would seem the lower management are as disgruntled as the rank and file techs

Honestly, it's a great company with great people who can do great things, and then upper management comes and throws wrenches into the works.

"Facts" ???

It could be only a couple trolls on each side (or one playing both sides against the middle), but from time to time, there's posts insulting either non-union or union employees.

There's no doubt about that. The facts are right here -- you just need to go through the posts.

I was the first person to respond to the OP under @WkwSKRq-xgd below. I saw that the next respondent mentioned that he/she is with IT.

I then realized that I had neglected to say that I'm with OSP Construction in NY.

BTW, not only are the 1st Levels topnotch, the primary Engineer for this area is excellent as well, and knows the specifics about every situation before you even call him.

I wish we were allowed to name drop here because the gentleman deserves proper recognition for an outstanding job.

Facts

OMG no, my direct manager is a wonderful man they I'll do anything for and I know he has our back. All the managers of the teams I work (IT) are great folks that I'll help any way I can.

Upper management I can't trust, lower is as good as can be hoped for. I'm sure it's different in other parts of the business, but every manager I've ever come across are just regular folks who get dumped on twice as hard for 20% more pay. It's not right what the company puts them through.

Not sure where you're from, or if you're just trolling but, in my area, we are generally not at odds for the most part. The first levels and the craft work together and do their best to take care of the customers needs in a timely and professional manner. Are there some disagreements from time to time in choosing whose plan is the best path forward in that aim? Of course.

But both ends empathize with the pressures the other faces, and can generally come up with mutually agreeable courses of action to keep things moving forward.