Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

One more stupid clueless post.

The reason has to be money. There was a lawsuit a while back where someone hired a indian worker through H1B. My memory was that they intended to pay him something like $50K when he was going to the bay area. You can't live on $50K in the bay area. The manager who hired him wanted to pay him a living wage and Oracle said that the salary given was enough for an Indian.

I suspect there is something to that. Bay area people who know what they are doing are expensive. Got to be cheaper to hire from India. I think people on the H1B program also have to stay with the employer for certain amount of time. So they are trapped by Oracle for a while. Perhaps no raises in that period.

Has to be money. Oracle is all about money.

its definitely not about money at this point. H1B hires have established minimums that have to be maintained. so guess what. they have to be hired with a salary no lower than a set minimum (and its not that low) and then later, if there are no raises, someone on a visa could get an adjustment upward if they fall below the established minimum because that base keep going up. and just to make it more interesting, its really easy to hire an american for less than that minimum and you are never forced to give the american a raise. what a great country we live in.

I have no idea where this notion of H1B uniformly being paid less at Oracle comes from. Perhaps it helps folks rationalize a few things in thier minds. I was on H1B 20 years ago and my starting salary was higher than many citizens at that time. Note that H1B does not only mean hiring Indians and from India. It includes all nationalities. It includes folks graduating from American universities. Indians are also not naive market unsavvy fools who are letting themselves be exploited. The market, demand, skill, potential value delivered is what drives salaries in most cases.

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I don't understand your confusion. It's just cheaper to hire from India. My understanding is that H1B imports are not paid the same as people from the U.S. There were some posts on here a while back about the lawsuit because of unequal pay. If the pay was the same, there would be no need for H1B. It's just money, that's all.

Someone posted a while back that some Indian managers are paid less than the american employees that work for them because of H1B.

Did anyone read the article about how the H1B visa system created the modern-day silicon valley?

https://www.businessinsider.com/foreign-workers-h-1b-visa-necessary-for-silicon-valley-2018-11

its an interesting read and you really have to wonder why we opened our doors to allow a flood of foreign workers rather than following whatever model was used in india to create the education system that created those workers. yes, it has a lot to do with incredible competition to rise out of poverty that we don't necessarily face here, I certainly don't know all the factors that go into a country like India ruling the tech world while we founder somewhat. Yes, we have brilliant innovators and the rule was often, think of it here and then build it with the commodity programming resources from india, china, eastern europe, etc. but why? I feel that our country's pull yourself up by your own bootstraps mentality has not served us well in these cases. the people here are no less intelligent than anywhere else, what is stopping them, money? educational opportunity? motivation?

Maybe you could summarize the video and also let us know who Ron Hira is. Pointers to arbitrary videos don't get much attention.