I can't wait until they show me the door: not transferring one lick of my "tribal knowledge" to any jegging-wearing newbies. F*ck them, let them flounder & fumble and figure it out just like I did. Taking it all to the grave with me.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nextavenue/2019/01/25/boomer-brain-drain-the-big-mistake-employers-are-making/
Meanwhile you fail to ignore the other businesses include CBD, software engineering, and so forth that pay at least 70k minimum. But you know what, ther'es no point arguing with a ignorant id--t like yourself. Please continue to spam the entire forum with your constant complaining. Enjoy your safe space.
That's amazing that you think technical support is the core business that IBM is constantly looking to hire for entry levels. lmao and the fact that you chose a sample size of 2.
None of this relates to layoff. Is someone trolling this board? lets end this thread.
Glassdoor Technical Support Specialist
2 salaries $15 - $18 hourly
Who's delusional? It is what it is, and who does not know this already?
My gosh you amaze me.
EOD
I read all this and realize Im stuck between two of the most selfish generations in American history...Spoiled, self-centered baby boomers like the original poster, and completely self-absorbed, entitlement-minded millennials like -uzi.
Every single cbder I know makes at least 70k in my office. I find it absolutely hilarious if you think IBM seriously is paying 30k to its entry level hires unless they're doing some sort of sales associate job or low level something. They're not that stupid. IBM has MANY, MANY faults but it really shows how some you are willing to be this delusional for the sake of hating on IBM and feeling better about yourself. I'd suggest retiring while some of you still have some sanity left.
Indeed IBM salaries shows several positions starting at $29,000
14x40X52 = $29,120
Now speaking of poppycock, $46 per hr for new hires? Yeah right!
Also, some of you are really out of it if you seriously think the average costco worker makes $27 per hour as an entry level job. News Flash, millennials don't have it as easy you think either. Maybe that could have been a thing as a baby boomer when you didn't even need a college degree to get a high paying job but no apparently, millennials have no sense or understanding of what it's like to "work hard". We just want to be spoon fed everything.
New hires aren't paid that low, what are you on and where are you getting this false information? As I new hire, I'm making $46 an hour in GBS. This is what's wrong with IBM's forum. We get loads of BS information from people who don't know anything and speculate such as how IBM is apparently selling GBS. IBM is not the best place to work but some of yall are nutty
I know salary is not supposed to be discussed, but some new hires have spilled the beans.
Holy c-ap! I could not believe how low their hourly rate was.
My advice was to apply at Costo where they can make up to $27 per hr.
Working for $14 per hr in 2019 and you are trying bash gen x old crows? Wake up.
Ginni is laughing all the way to the bank at the young hires expense.
man bun. lololol
And you might have the job @1tll, but I guarantee you don't have the salary, or you wouldn't be here either.
That's right @oki. I had to wait for someone to retire to move up, so the next generation can wait as well. And I am as high as I can go as an individual contributor. No desire to manage people. I am responsible for me.
As big companies jettison older workers in favor of younger millenials that often work for much cheaper, you can t really blame the millennials. They see a job and apply for it -just like when they outsource to India and Eastern Europe.
The problem is the way companies like IBM do it, it insures no turn over and knowledge transfer, leaving hug gaps for extended periods of time. Even if they tell an older worker "transfer knowledge, they will do the absolute minimum and keep specialty secrets to themselves.
OP, all your attacks on millennials are loads of BS generalizations and nothing of real criticism. I would take one deep look at yourself instead of being a raging buffoon.
The co-location initiative was old school and outdated complete epic fail, I will give you that one.
I work with juniors who NEVER skip lunch break. OMG skip lunch? Nope, cant do that ever.
It doesn't matter if a site is down and the customer is screaming, they need their Jimmy Johns.
They also make sure to leave at 4:30 on the button everyday. Hardly a dedicated employee.
Did I mention the amount of time they spend outside vaping?
Now if that's your idea of a dedicated, non complaining employee then have at it.
One reason older IBMers are resistant to change is because IBM changes in random directions all the time. If you don't like today's direction just ignore it until it changes again. I would never jump onto any new IBM initiative until I was convinced it was going to last.
Just a GBS perspective: I’ve seen far more IBMers age 40+ complain about late hours, travel, and new methods. GBS has a largely senior workforce. Our client relationships are in the toilet across the board. See a correlation?
Note: not all older IBMers act like this. I have several I staff on my projects regularly because they are old school consultants who are phenomenal at what they do. But the vast majority complain and are unwilling to change, from what I’ve seen. I’d rather staff my projects with junior people because they work hard and want to travel, two basic requirements for consulting. We need to have senior people to guide them, but my already small pool of real consultants keeps shrinking every year.
4-6 years experience is not considered senior anything. Good grief what planet are you on?
How on earth you think that's a senior level anything is scary.
@Xk3Ouc1-zyx: Don't worry, you won't stay in my old position too long -- the RA axe swings often and wide.
@Xk3Ouc1-zyx Idk but I'm sure happy being employed with your job and your salary :)
I highly doubt those soy boys could handle the hours.
They would miss way too many LBGQT demonstrations and yoga classes.
Are you triggered bro? Did the man bun come loose?
"I don't begrudge gen-x'ers or millenials a job. Just not MY job until I am ready to give it up. Let them start at the bottom and work their way up like I did."
Everyone I've ever seen with this attitude is someone who started out as a Junior Engineer/Accountant/Analyst/Whatever, after 2-3 years got promoted to a Whatever, after another 2-3 years got promoted to a Senior Whatever, and now has been doing that same job of Senior Whatever for 30+ years, having never gotten a promotion since or moved into management. Yet you want to tell that millennial with 4-6 years of experience who is ready for promotion to Senior Whatever that he can't have your job.
@Xk3Ouc1-aal Yes and that "hooped eared gender neutral freak show" just took your job. Good riddance.
I’m sad to see the older and younger folks taking shots at each other. I think this is a misplacement of your ire and your fears. Maybe that’s exactly what “the man” wants. We will all be stronger if we support each other. We are not the villains.
I wouldn't transfer my knowledge unless I was given adequate severance pay.
6-9 months is one thing, but 30 days severance only and you want my help?
No way in hell I will train some hooped eared gender neutral freak show.
You can't compare Google, FB, etc to companies that have been around for a long time with many, many years of institutional knowledge.
Being one of the last of the baby boomers, I can tell you I've worked for well over 30 years in my career and I've saved the entire time. The only debts I ever took on were a mortgage (almost paid) and a car payment. I don't consider myself entitled or materialistic. I've worked hard for what I have and live within my means. What s---s is that you have your financial plans in order and expect to be able to work until YOU are ready to retire based on that plan. You don't expect to have some company decide you are no longer an asset a few years shy of your goal. Yea, I'll take my tribal knowledge with me as well. .
I don't begrudge gen-x'ers or millenials a job. Just not MY job until I am ready to give it up. Let them start at the bottom and work their way up like I did.
again, here you are, posting irrelevant complaints on a forum dedicated to LAYOFFS. do this on the reddit or somewhere else, not here. You look at any other company's forum on this site and it's not contaminated like the IBM Forum is
The mistake of the Greatest Generation was raising the first generation of entitled, materialistic, and arrogant Americans. It amazes me how many boomers still have to work (and are resentful because they can no longer keep up) because they spent beyond their means, accumulated debt, and failed to adequately save for retirement. And yet it’s somehow millennial’s fault? Give me a break.
Looking at Google, Facebook, Apple, and Amazon demographics, I expect we'll manage without boomers just fine. Dinosaurs had to go for the mammals to flourish after all.