Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Laid off for having a depression

Recently I had the chance to discuss a bit in more detail with a colleague who was laid off about a year ago and what she told me was very disturbing. We were both working in TK's org, but in different teams.

A few months before her layoff, her team had just had a new manager appointed, an Indian VP lady, but who was based in the US.

She told me that as soon as this lady arrived, she started "evaluating" many members of that team, based on criteria that had nothing to do with performance.

She said that right before this new VP came, in her team the workload was so high that many people got sick, herself included. She came down with a nasty case of depression which she was able to get over with the help of the EAP, several months before this new VP came along.

When she had her first 1-1 with this new person, she was shocked to hear the VP telling her that she knew that she used the EAP to fight off her depression and that her team is no place for people who are "emotionally and mentally unstable". She went as far as to call my friend a "certified nutcase" who didn't belong in that team and that she should leave.

A couple of days after this phone conversation, my friend was laid off. I asked her if she went to HR with this, as accessing someone's medical records is highly illegal as far as I know.

She said she went to HR and they told her there was nothing they could do, as she had no evidence against her VP.

There was no written record of the discussion, nor a recording of the said phone call.

Now, my question is, has anyone else heard of similar happenings and if so, are there any ways to fight such a power abusive behavior when there is no palpable evidence left behind?

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@Y1VjI9H-1sez has the right idea. I do this. No one questions your phone in your pocket or by your pen and paper. Remember this is how some of the s-x abusers have been caught when the abused has recordings of their sh--ty behavior

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Post ID: @2hmh+Y1VjI9H

I can believe it. I know of one woman that had been at Oracle since her old company's acquisition; her husband had gotten a terminal diagnosis and all of a sudden she was laid off. The team was slowly disbanded, but we all questioned why SHE, in particular, was laid off. We all think it was due to her husband's illness. I'm sorry to hear this, but not surprised.

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Post ID: @2gtz+Y1VjI9H

HR is just a puppet in Oracle and they never help any Egg, they are here to help Managers/Directors/VP.

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Post ID: @1qkw+Y1VjI9H

There are a few things with this if true. It is illegal to fire someone over depression if they are still performing their work. The reason the person was let go needs to documented. I would send an email to the manager asking if they were let go from their depression. If they said it, no offence the India people arent the greatest on being pc, so they might actually even say it in an email. Either way if you weren't happy at Oracle maybe it is for the best anyway. Positive Spin lol

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Post ID: @1gnl+Y1VjI9H

Document everything with date and time the manager does to use against him, the manager needs to go now! I had a friend who documented everything at work and we did not even have a problem - smart guy.

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Post ID: @1dvt+Y1VjI9H

Record the abusive manager and send to HR anonymously from library computer.

If no action let them know will send to newspapers. That is a horrible manager, I have seen senior design engineers fired for that behavior in the US.

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Post ID: @1wiw+Y1VjI9H

HR WORKS FOR THE COMPANY NOT YOU - NEVER FORGET THAT!!!

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Post ID: @1qof+Y1VjI9H

The management in India is sick.

This is more of a cultural thing, nothing Oracle specific. As someone who worked here in India for 4 large US based companies, I'd say there is almost no difference between them. The workplace in India needs to evolve as the culture is stuck in the 20th century - it's almost given your environment will be psychologically abusive. Smaller firms can be better, but many are actually worse.

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Post ID: @1qvr+Y1VjI9H

I can totally believe this. As I have got depressed after joining Oracle 3 months back. The management in India is sick. They shout and scream at work, in meetings. Talk in Hindi, Telugu in a team meeting. Every meeting my India manager forces us to play some sh--ty games like paper toss, mafia, etc. and wasting 2 hours. Then after 2 hours (which includes lunch break), asks the status of the work, which was given in the meeting before all the games.

In my 3 months, I have seen employees being treated like sh--. Manager randomly shouts if the work is not to his satisfaction. In a meeting, he used works like f--- you, this s---s, Hindi abusive language. Manager is indian who is working from USA.

I informed this to HR, who say, he is a director and a growing leader, we should give one more chance to him. What chance ? I was shocked when the indian HR said this.

Now I have resigned, but they have yet confirmed. Manager is not responding. HR is in "I don't care" mode. One of the employees tells me, they want to use you for layoff. But isn't it against the company policies, when employee has resigned like 2 weeks backs ? Anyways layoff means I get a month of two salary extra, so why cry about it.

All I can say is, I would never ever want to return to this company.

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Post ID: @1gvy+Y1VjI9H

I'm not surprised by any of this. Remember that HR is there for the managers and the company - not the employee.

As for the EAP, I never used it because I could never be sure the details would leak back to HR or managers. You need to treat them all like the enemy.

Oracle is always very careful not to leave evidence traces when it comes to HR matters and give managers training on the subject. The best thing to do is get the heck out of there.

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Post ID: @1slm+Y1VjI9H

Android has a nice record application, I will be sure to use it from now on.

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Post ID: @1sez+Y1VjI9H

HR is just a puppet in Oracle. It is like providing unruly leaders with arms & ammunitions, and so u see leaders like Book Haram rising.

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Post ID: @1ygw+Y1VjI9H

EAP & other helpline numbers, survey feedbacks, complaints to HR.. All this sh-- is only on paper, for Oracle to portray itself as employee friendly org. All these get reported to ur line mgr directly, who knows then what to do next. Its all Nazi style. Not at all surprised to hear this case.

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Post ID: @1mpa+Y1VjI9H

Oracle = Dickens England, ie a slavery state

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Post ID: @njs+Y1VjI9H

" In a layoff situation, the people you work with are not your friends, they are your competition."

Sad, but true.

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Post ID: @mor+Y1VjI9H

Yeah, it seems more likely there was someone on the team who gave them the information.

Don't confide in anyone. In a layoff situation, the people you work with are not your friends, they are your competition.

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Post ID: @dmm+Y1VjI9H

I've never heard of this, but just wanted to say it is a very disturbing story and I thought EAP stuff was private. Are you sure this friend didn't confide in someone else on the team who then told the VP? There might have been some backstabbing going on. Without a recording of the VP saying that the person doesn't have a case.

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Post ID: @hdr+Y1VjI9H

More info to get everyone to record everything!!

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