Anyone hearing about pharmacy layoffs happening today? It seems that some techs got axed - not sure how reliable the info is, chime in if you have any info...
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Would love to see some of these rumors come to fruition. I know they tried doubling up some markets a few years ago and it didn’t work so they hired a bunch of market directors back. But without vision center it may work. At companies like Publix, their district managers cover 30-40 pharmacies. Need to trim that fat and get all hands on deck for people with direct patient care. Could pay like 5-6 full time techs for what 1 market director makes
I have heard something similar but not really sure if it is all rumors! But since D40 is not under H&W anymore, it only makes sense to make districts much bigger which will result in elimination of almost 50% DM positions. I do believe, they will wait until at least April to do something.
All kinds of rumors flying. Division 1 thinks that vision center is coming to Division 1. They think that pharmacy is going to be left in Division 10. Each division 10 district will be merged into 2 districts, essentially cutting half of MHWD. Each MHWD will have to reapply for a position. Where they end up is anyone’s guess. This makes you wonder if the pharmacy will be sold to a PBM or will buy a PBM.
Division 1 claims that each vision center manager may have to be a manager over 4 or more stores. This would make mini districts for vision. This would save money in vision. This is all rumors, but something is coming.
When is the next round of layoffs coming? Updates on cutting market directors, senior management, etc.
What i am about to say, maybe harsh and it is just a thought. I am throwing this out to open up conversation and get others opinion. I didn’t like what happened, but I think some responsibility should lie within our profession. I think we should all blame ourselves. We have been terrible stewards of our profession. We have allowed academia to run wild. All of us felt they had some obligation to take in students. We have all enjoyed passing some work on to students, to lessen our work load.
But now we should all step up and become good stewards of our profession. We should hold academia responsible. Using the US News ranking list of pharmacy schools, any school not in the top 50 should not be allowed to have students in residency’s. This would force the top students into the top schools to ensure they get the best jobs. This would put pressure on the other schools to step up their programs. Also any school not in the top 90 or maybe the top 75 if needed would not be allowed to put students in intern programs. If schools cannot place students in internships then they would loose their accreditation. If they loose their accreditation then their students couldn’t take the nabplex exam. If they can’t take the nabplex then they can’t get licensed. Students then would avoid those schools and the schools couldn’t afford to stay open. Essentially causing them to wither on the vine.
Also if any school doesn’t require a pcat exam then we shouldn’t take their students. Schools that don’t vet their students should have internships refused. This would also have the same effect, causing them to wither on the vine.
State Boards of Pharmacy and nabplex should raise their standards. On the first pass 20% should fail. Then 10% of graduates should never pass the board. This would put more pressure on pharmacy schools. The pcat should be made more difficult essentially vetting and prescreening students before they get in. This would make sure only good students get in school and that they would be able to pass the new more complicated nabplex exam.
Also a new doctorate program should be started. It would be a PhD only program. Just as the Pharmd made the BS obsolete, the Pharmd would become obsolete. It would require students to have a BS before entering a pharmacy school. If you have a doctorate then you should have a BS first. This would cause a 2 year hiatus on graduates, thus easing the pharmacist over staffing problems. All students would also have to be a Physicians Assistant before graduating. They would either get a PA at the pharmacy school or before entering. We have all wanted Prescriber status now all future pharmacist would have it. All graduates would now have multiple options for employment making it easier to get jobs. This would also help ease the over staffing problem.
This seems harsh, but now is the time for harsh measures or more pharmacist will be displaced. It is meant to get others opinions and open up thinking and conversation.
I encourage everyone who has been terminated and you feel you were set up and it was based on age, which would included years of service as well to file a complaint with The Equal opportunity Office and give them a statement. The more people we have file a complaint the better changes we have for them to open up a class action suit against them! If you don’t send in a complaint and a action suit does occur you won’t be included. So get one sent in! I’m in the middle of completing my statement and I’ll be mailing mine in the next few days. You have approximately 180 days from the date you were let go to send it in. Again, the more people who submit a complaint the better chances we have because this company hates bad publicity!
Very well said and informative! That is so unethical that PBMs, corporate pharmacies, and pharmacy schools have played into this situation. It's the pharmacy schools that provide a law and ethics course but they comply to the unethical practices of corporate desires. It's very disappointing. Hopefully there can be repercussions for all those contributing to this hard situation.
There's not much happy news in pharmacyland these days. Until PBM's are eliminated or at least better regulated reimbursements to pharmacies resulting in a net loss will be the norm. High labor costs and low reimbursement rates are not a sustainable business model. Then academia sold us out in the name of the almighty dollar by pumping out thousands more pharmacists than the market could absorb every graduation cycle. That said, WMT does not get a pass for the methods it used to cut employee costs. The way they went about thinning the herd was immoral and repugnant. I hope the public somehow gets word and this company is severely financially punished.
Meanwhile, it is time for the rest of us to pick up the pieces and move forward. It's all we can do.
Yeah... found a temporary job with CVS but it's not a long term fix. Not many pharmacy establishments hiring in my area of Minnesota. Hopefully another option will surface. The few positions I did apply to, I wasn't even considered for an interview. It seems like a tight market. I would like to see a solution in place. Anyone else?
Has everyone found a job? Is anyone still watching this site or has everyone given up?
http://video.foxnews.com/v/6098605285001/ You need to watch this segment it explains a big part of what is wrong with the pharmacy profession. As we all know there is 75-80 too many pharmacy schools. “The enlightened academics” have built numerous unneeded pharmacy schools so they wouldn’t have to get a real job. They know they couldn’t really survive or thrive with a real job in the real world
Everyone go on utube and watch silver report. Just reported 3 hours ago. 42,000 silent layoffs just announced.
The market manager I had was so lazy he would not make any attempt to cover sick calls. I had the flu 2 years ago along with loosing my voice and his motto was always “find your own coverage”. U could tell he was was sitting at home bc u could hear his kids. So, the only time I ever saw him was when his boss was in town. And of course always if u did see him he was a jerk to u.
Actually this article is the one that mentions chains more specifically. Better article. If link doesnt work search in google.
Sorry, the link doesn't seem to be working, but google some of the words in the address below to read the article. It covers everything and even mentions WM and others.
Regarding lack of retail pharmacist jobs, at least reality is finally setting in and it is being addressed out there. Has everyone read this? https://www.d–gchannels.net/2019/10/grim-job-outlook-for-retail-pharmacists.html?m=1
Couldn’t agree more with the last comment about market directors. We could lose half of them and be completely fine. They have no direct patient contact and small if any outcomes on patient care. My last one had zero people skills. Wouldn’t even say hi to the staff when they walked in the pharmacy. Could never even get a congratulations or pay on the back for something good we did. And the micro managing in those stupid conference calls has to go
You could cut out 2 of 3 market directors and they wouldn’t even be missed. My market director sits in their office or probably at home bellowing out orders over the phone or on conference calls. They overwhelm us with frivolous emails and go do’s, so they want have to show up at the store. We only see the market director when it is time to do a checklist or someone complains. The only problem with releasing the majority of the unnecessary market directors is that some poor pharmacist will probably get “displaced” to give the market director someplace to land.
Market director layoffs would be a great start, but if we're going to fix all the ills, we certainly can't stop there. Regionals and vp's need to answer for the fubar this company's pharmacy division has become. They made all the decisions that brought us to where we are today. It's time they reap some of the rewards.
What is the latest with health and wellness? Can anyone shed light on what is going on in the company now ie market director eliminations or other layoffs
I think Facebook is a real good idea. How else can we support each other. It would be fantastic if we could share resources and support each other. It would be nice if we could share job opportunities and education opportunities. There maybe other resources we could share. Why would that not be good idea?
Don’t think FB is a good idea, much better feedback if people can post anonymously.
When is someone going to start a Facebook page? Do it generic as pharmacy lay-off. Don’t use a cooperation name
Keep up supporting each other and get the word out to future students pharmacy is not stable. They will be in hugh debt with a hard job market. Don’t let the pharmacy schools fake them out into thinking there is a need for pharmacists. Everything will be automated and the need will go down.
I agree , I don’t want to work for CVS. I haven’t gotten hungry yet. Being hungry is the only way I’ll work for them. I hope I can find something so it doesn’t come to that. Everyone that has ever worked for them complains.
I think the only company hiring is CVS. But I won’t work for them. No way been there done that before. I’ll look for anything else.
Have any of you thought about filing a class action lawsuit for age discrimination? You have 180 days to file an age discrimination complaint with the eeoc. You dont need an attorney!
This is definitely hard on all of us. It's a time of redefining. The only job I could find close to home was with CVS so I took that. Who knows what the future holds but it's best to see the silver lining. I haven't seen my severance pay yet but I didn't mail it out until a week after I got the paperwork
Did everyone get their severance yet? Did it come via fed ex? Mine was suppose to be direct deposit and it was not.
I'm over 50 and no job and no prospects without moving.
Yes. 62 here. Full time with bennies at an independent. Didn't have to move. Took a cut in pay, but stress is gone so I didnt care.
Has anyone over the age of 50 found a job?
Looks like all retail companies having a tough time. Store closings. The future of retail is gonna be online. I have even seen malls closing. It’s time for many of us to reinvent ourselves. This is not an easy time as we have had so much invested. Change is never easy. As soon as we get our severence we should have a Facebook to connect.
For the person asking, I received my severance via direct deposit.
I still feel victimized and violated. I feel betrayed. You are not the only one who is having hard feelings. I have told myself to move on. I am feeling better daily.
It’s a job. It’s a means to make money. It does not represent u. We are all just numbers on a piece of paper to them but to the world we hold much more value. How many of us were really happy working for that. Crazy company? Not me. So in good time I’ll have another job. Meanwhile life goes on.
Reach out for help. You need to lean on others right now. We are all used to being the person people reach to and it is extremely difficult to suddenly feel out of control. When you feel down come on this board and vent to others who understand what you're going through. Know that the company is not worthy of causing you this much anguish. Know that you have done nothing wrong. Know that there are others out there suffering and understand your feelings. I am confident that one year from today you will be happier than you are right now.
Hang in there.
We all still have access to resources for living for 18 months after termination. That includes 3 face to face counseling sessions per issue per year. And unlimited phone consultations. I used my 3 and then got more for another issue. Please use the service and if nothing else it will be more money coming out of their pockets. It really helped me to talk about what they did with a professional and learn about acceptance. I know it feels like a bad dream but we have to accept what happened even though we don’t agree with it
So I watch a lot of financial reports. The Walton family just sold billions of their stock. I wonder what they heard in the board room to prompt this. I’m sure their falsely elevated stock price from the trump tax cut on corporations last year will b trumped by the tariff that are coming. Walmart is struggling and other online retailers are winning.