Looks to me that anybody over 50 - or even those in their late 40s - are on the short list for layoffs - voluntary or not.
Shouldn’t age be considered an asset instead of a liability? Yes, it comes with higher pay but it also comes with more experience and more knowledge.
Verizon should be trying to keep us, not get rid of us.
Age health etc, D matter your race religion s-xual preference etc, if you’re American, You’ve been dismissed.
I am offended by the person that insinuated that older folks can’t innovate and are basically stagnate. That is a load of c-ap. I was always looking for new ways to do things to increase/improve metrics but no one wanted to listen. With age absolutely comes knowledge and mind you integrity. Some of these younger kids that come in are lazy, don’t care attitude, looking to cut corners and not put in a full week. It’s the age of entitlement with the younger generation NOT innovation. Let’s see how quick Verizon is when 6 months are up to get some of Tyne VSP-era back as contractors
Its only a liability if you are a worker bee. If you are the VPs and up older and smellier you are better it is. The real old fossils at Verizon leadership make the best bonuses and salaries. They never get laid of and they have not heard of reduction of force for cost cutting.
So is the discrimination less in non IT? Asking because those are soft skills which I would think will automatically be better with age, without needing to work on keeping skills current
Save your hard earned money and you'll be in control of your destiny -ageism then, won't matter. My folks put 4 kids thru private high school and college on blue collar incomes and they are have a couple mill. We all worked. Knowing no job is ever safe at Vz is motivation to save .
Verizon, definitely discriminates based on age. Diversity does not include older employees. They are just a nuisance. What do you think the VSP was all about? Sure they offered to many newer employees which had less incentive to accept and to make it look legit. Prior to the VSP offer, they beat down the older workers just enough so that many would accept. How did they beat the tenured, older employees? They “reorged’ employees into lower positions an/or titles or responsibilities multiple times. They made the older employees feel like they were disposable. They hired younger employees at higher positions then the ones with more experience. They laid off the older employees through riffs prior to the VSP.
They actively recruited younger employees.
Fact:
https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-ads-age-discrimination-targeting
This is just the way it is. If your older the. 50, keep your skills current and have your plan B ready.
In regards to this
Shouldn’t age be considered an asset instead of a liability? Yes, it comes with higher pay but it also comes with more experience and more knowledge.
No. Age does not guarantee more knowledge, and with using technology is usually more of a hindrance. If some of the 20-30 year olds have trouble with understanding new layouts, its worse for 40-50 and their performance will decrease. And age has nothing to do with pay, pay has to do with experience, the type and level of job, and how well they can negotiate. Add in the fact that the company wants new ideas to innovate. If you have been working the same job for 10 years, doing the same thing and not constantly learning new information, it is hard to innovate and improve performance compared to bringing someone else in from the outside. If you are too stubborn to constantly improve yourself and keep up with new information, teachings, and technology then you are no longer wanted and will be on the chopping block. Which is why more and more open positions are filled from outside instead of promoted within, and the promotions from within are usually saved for the over achievers or the people who come up with the innovations. This company does not owe you anything, no matter your age. If you can no longer improve, if you stagnate, if you no longer come up with ideas to improve your department or influence the rest of Verizon, then they no longer need you. Whether you are 20 or 50.
Yes. VSP confirmed it.
Is age a liability? Depends. If Union then no, age is not a liability. If management or salaried then yes, age is a liability.
Short answer, no
Funny - I just came across an article that shows just that
https://insights.dice.com/2019/06/24/ageism-tech-professional-earnings/
(disclaimer: March VSP denied, took my ball and went home)
@ZIfb6Lv-sip - I hope your assumption is correct. There are NO jobs that are 100% safe anymore regardless of your age....
I'm over 50 and I am in no danger of being laid off. At least until 2023. By then it won't matter to me anyway.
Indeed it is. And not just at Vz.
It's very interesting how corporations look at age. The latest AARP magazine has an article that really hits home on the challenges of ageism in the workplace. In it they make a great point. (Paraphrasing here. ) Corporate America has many policies promoting diversity and inclusion. But nothing really for their older workers. (End Paraphrasing. )
I am not saying this is VZ's policy, just saying it's an interesting point of corporate Human Resource hypocrisy in my opinion.