Why was this thread re-posted? The purpose does not appear to be related to the topic at hand, which is the issue of the CA AG holding up the sales. @821, Karma is a bitch and I hope she takes special note of your hateful posts. If you are this mean in person, I hope somebody will break your nose.
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714 - Get off this board and go feed your 4 children and when your done with that, go get with your 3rd baby daddy and make another one - more kids, more money!
740, It's more like thousands per term in stipends . . .
The student gets a couple hundred in stipend and CCI gets thousands that someone else has to repay. Get the game?
@717 I teach at CC too, you just have no clue what you are talking about!
I think maybe poor students are marketed to this way. CCi goes to them, not the other way around. The local community college doesn't seem to have this stipend-student problem many here are complaining about.
It is common practice for students to get droppedlong after the date that they notified stydebt services that they no longer wish to attend, this is fraud.
704, your statement is very crude. I attend a Heald campus and am employed as a FWS in the academics department at my campus. All of those things you said apply to me, the monthly attendance form, the child care paperwork and yes the transportation check as well. I have always worked and very rarwly have I been on aid even when I financially qualified. I moved to California and found that while I could make a decent living elsewhere without a degree I child not do so in California so I went back to school. Single mom, 4 kids and so yes, welfare afforded me the opportunity to 'get in, get out, get ahead' at Heald. But, I'm working at the same time, my work makes it so I have to do well educationally in order to keep my job, this was the job I needed because lord knows I have plenty of distractions that make it easy to skip class and not do homework. I don't appreciate the generalization of students, it's just not accurate.
If you know some students are there just for the stipend, then they should not be there. Under aid rules it's the school's responsibility to make sure they're not. I'm sure many are there because they believed when they were told that it would make their lives better.
Plain and simple, if she doesn't then CA campuses are out of the sale. Good luck you liberals.
701 - You got that correct - they come for the money and nothing more - not all, but some. Some bring their forms to be filled out so they can get the government money every month, and the child care money and lets not forget that monthly gas check! Wish someone would pay for my gas and baby sitter - my food, my rent, my health insurance. Put the blame where the majority of it falls - on the student in school, not for the education but for the "free" money - it all makes me sick! And get them jobs? Hell NO! They don't want to work for the money when it's easier to just go to school - or at least sign up for it. I can't tell you the times I have heard a non-active "student" ask for a letter stating they are in school - they just want the money, not to learn a damn thing.
Under federal aid rules, if a student doesn't show up, meaningfully participate or can't do the work, it's the SCHOOL'S responsibility to withdraw that student and stop accepting funds on their behalf. To do otherwise is fraud and embezzlement of federal money. Then there are students who were allegedly guaranteed jobs that the school knew didn't exist. The program certainly changed their lives, but not in the way they were told it would.
They sign up for the stipend, not the education. It's a double edged sword that some students are very savvy about. They show up every 14 days and know just the right amount of work to turn in to keep their stipends. They had no intention of ever paying back the $, but had no problem taking it. Why should that be forgiven and put on the taxpayer?
They know they signed up for college. They chose not to participate and didn't drop during drop period. They owe the money. Period. Just like every adult in every college and university in America. Are you an instructor? These students are NOT victims. They are adults.
Because, 691, it's not OK to defraud people simply because they'll fall for it. If students weren't participating, they should have been dropped during the first few weeks and their money sent back to the feds, not strung along for the whole length of the program and then being stuck with huge debt they can't pay or discharge. If the allegatons are true, it was done with federal money and the blessing of the federal government. If there is a deal, it will be interesting to see if there's any loan forgiveness. Just sayin'.
681, I agree with much of what you wrote. But, why should students be reimbursed if they made no effort to get the education they paid for?
Harris is making tough demands (some of which she knows won't happen) with the long term goal of running for Governor on her tough record. She is doing many things right and I don't disagree in theory with any of it. She knows exactly which concessions she does and does not have to make to achieve her objective.
Under Title IV, if students were signed up with false promises, lied to about aid, not failed/dropped when they should have been, and didn't meaningfully participate in online courses (all of which has been openly talked about here), then they should be reimbursed and the schools closed. So what is Harris doing wrong?
Simple...there are far too many federal student loans to let CCi fail at this point. Billions and billions of dollars tied up in those loans and forgiveness of them if CCi fails. Do you think our government is going to let that happen? Ask the American auto and banking industries...
This rumor was floating around CSC today. My sources said that there was some issues, AG wanted more money, but it was ironed out last weekend. My questions is this. If CCI was so horrible why would an AG settle instead of pursuing this to the full extent of the law? Say CCI settles for 10 million, just a number I made up. How does that go about punishing CCI or help out the students that allegedly harmed?
There would still be political fall-out since a lot of people would lose their jobs and CCi is being sold to a non-profit. This is a political move. If I had to guess (and i am no longer an employee) she will ask for crazy concessions and settle for actions and future assurances. She will not prevent the sale.
How are they working on it? If she says no, then it's no go.
She is just majing ridiculous demands. They are working on it and it is looking better. It is doubtful the sale will go without the CA campuses.
.....after she successfully puts away the for profit crooks
Kamala will run for Governor of CA