Thread regarding PNC layoffs

@1gm Can confirm.

@vy It's going to be a real issue for those people who do long changes overnight on weekends. 8 hours in the office and then 6 more starting at 10 PM? No thank you.

@1dn i’d bet money on it that we are all being tracked and data is being generated on reports to be reviewed. And I don’t mean just by when your ID card gets swiped.

@1dp what building are you in?

@14j Based on my interactions with people I think you captured it well. Not as bad as expected but still why is the floor so empty?

Unbelievable how poorly this was done. Feels like a speed limit with hefty fines and points of you’re caught but no cops on the road so no enforcement. I had heard they were tracking VPN log-in (office vs remote), but then the other day I heard managers have to ASK for that info (I’m a manager…. Didn’t know they were tracking, didn’t know there was a report, didn’t know I had to ask). So I guess that’s it. “We’re an in-office company”, but we are only about 40% in-office people.

We don't know and are winging it, it also depends on your organization. Many in some are exempt. Unfair yes. Do they care, no.

@OP no news is a good news, that means nobody cares about that.

While I do not like the commute or the cost, I have found I do not dislike RTO as much as I thought I would. What I dont understand is why it feels like I am one of the few doing it. People ask me if I am in and it confuses me because that is what we are suppose to do. Although I know my coworkers in other locations arent doing RTO5 as they told me their in office days this week. It is very confusing but I am just going to worry about myself. I wonder if a small minority were selected for RTO5.

If PNC follows the trajectory of BNY, it starts with asking everybody to come in,
then tracking it with no consequences

Then there’s known tracking dashboards, but people come in for part of a day

and then it becomes you gotta be there the full day and you’ll be let go after three violations with no severance

Complete dirtbags….They’re even doing this for people that were hired as fully remote

Not enough office space and all of our meetings are through teams with people and other locations anyhow

Indefensible silence. I run a good sized team in a major market hub and have nothing. “Let your people know that (fill in the blank)”. Elevator chatter is that those complying with RTO5 are the su-kers….. not good.

@wv would be amazing help for people. Would i expect an announcement tho? Prob not. Nfl draft was prior to full rto. Hope it comes though

@ar Penn Dot is saying be prepared for 2 -3 hour commutes downtown. I would expect something coming out from leadership about this soon similar to NFL draft. If not just wfh.

@sj Tech teams that have to do work after hours are figuring things out for themselves. They aren't going to come into the office at 7am, work 8 hours in the office, go home at 3pm, get online at 10pm, do another hour or more, then wake back up at 5am to come into the office. There was no consideration on how other areas of the bank actually function.

@sj If you don't mind saying, what part of the company are you in that is being so rigid? Our organization is the opposite. I've seen lots of people coming in around 8:30 and then leaving by 2:30 or so in order to get their kids on and off the bus. No one is calling them out at all.

@g1 i’m not sure where you work but where I’m at. We are required to do full days. No one ever told us we were allowed half days or anything like that.

@a3 they spent millions? Where? They spent nothing at Firstside, and I heard one CIO say that parts of the Cleveland operations center hadn’t been touched in at least ten years. That site seems to have been ruled out for now for RTO.

Dead silence here. Why do we still call them leaders when they’ve done nothing more than send an email. There is no leadership.

@fx i am sure eventually theyll force full days somehow. One can only hope it stays this loose

@fv The next phase of RTO is mid next month for the remaining folks so that'll be the real tell for how empty it'll normally be. (unless you're part of the teams that are completely exempt from RTO...)

Why stay 8 hours anyways? Just leave when you want, honestly. Most people are doing 5-7 hours and that's been fine enough.

@e6 Does anyone else feel like they're being played?? I've been coming to the office and staying my 8 hours and most days I'm the only one in the cubicles!!!
People leave early or don't even come in. So why am I coming in like boo boo the fool???

Crickets. My manager and I have no info. Not even a “so how’s it going?” request. It’s like they thought RTO was like telling us to give up soda for a week.

@ac They have been replacing employees with offshore employees for a while now. One department recently let go of several managers, merged teams and took on 10 or more offshore employees to replace the ones they let They will make everyone use the tracking software and those under performing will be the first to go. They are working on bots to perform a lot of work as well that will replace the need for a lot of employees as well.

Not only is the C-Suite serious about RTO5 and don’t care how awful it is, new roles are largely going to be HUB based going forward. Meaning, you might be a 20 year veteran at this company, but because you’re located outside of Pittsburgh/Cleveland/Birmingham, etc., you will have fewer opportunities for new roles unless you’re willing to move. And even then, most roles after a certain level are going to be Pittsburgh based no matter what. This has already been happening, but they’re going to double down.

This company has not been the same since the layoffs in 2023/2024. I saw someone make this comment and I can’t agree more: Bill has turned a once great company to work for into his personal vanity project and has completely ruined the culture. It’s now his di-k measuring contest with Jamie Dimon. If JPM is doing it, PNC will be tagging along in the back like the annoying little brother. The problem is the good things JPM offers, PNC would never. Higher salaries, better benefits, name prestige, etc. Can’t be PNC. But RTO and offshoring roles to India? Oh yeah. Bill needs a new yacht, baby.

Sadly i feel things will tighten and get crazier. Unless this was all smoke, but i doubt it. This is all so confusing

Reverted? Americans don’t speak like this

The Parkway East will be closing for almost a month which means I’m gonna have to leave at least a half an hour earlier. This will make my commute 1 1/2 hours each way. This is insane.

It’s really sad to see our company falling apart around us because of one decision. This decision broke the whole bank as a whole.

@aa they had to spend the money because there was multiple millions $$$ of hardware missing.

I dont want anyone to lose their jobs, but i dont think they can afford to lose anyone. Really curious how prod metrics are, they have to be worse this month

As a manager, they have given no guidance to us, or my managers.

@a9 in a recent all hands meeting they announced all the stats -- x amount of monitors, y amount of this, z amount of that. Spread across hundreds of locations. It was a lot. I don't doubt the ball was dropped in some areas. But the takeaway is like it or not they investment a sht load of money into this.not just in hardware but in man hours as well. It is what it is. Nothing is changing. You guys can continue to sit around and di---e your thumbs in your cubes. Read it again. It's. Over. Time to leave

@a3 I can assure you they didn't spend a dime in my office beyond assigning vacant seats in tririga. Workspaces were not cleaned, no equipment provided, half of the bathrooms out of service. The quality of my work will appropriately reflect these efforts.

They spent millions to get a lot of space available for people to occupy it. It's over.