so many people wrote in questions on this. He wants collaboration. We have no collaboration on our team. We all work independently and on the phones. We are still required to go in. Trying to make sense of this. Our all Ford Credit people required to go in
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Several of my coworkers go into the office voluntarily 2 days a week. It works out pretty well, since many of the whining, grouchy people don't come in. I am torn about mandated RTO. Some of these people were no prize to sit near 3 years ago, and I am not looking forward to doing so again. Then again, RTO may be an opportunity to get rid of these whiners. We might miss the hour or so of useful information they can share, but they are such a pain to deal with, we can survive them being gone. Unfortunately, the biggest whiners aren't going to quit. If they had a better option, they would have already left.
"Coding by myself". In other words, surfing the Internet.
Exactly! If they say no WFH, then I will make sure I don’t work from home, or from anywhere else but the office. No checking email, not looking at Webex Teams, not answering my work cell phone, not responding to outages, and not even texting my boss if I’m out sick (because that would be doing a work-related activity while at home). Maybe they should be careful what they wish for.
WFH is not for every position, but in technology I am coding by myself 90% of the time. Being in the office for the "culture"/“collaboration” is a distraction at best. There is no way you're going to make me drive two hours every day to sit in front of a screen, and then in the middle of the night when something breaks decide that, THEN, on MY time, WFH is OK. Stick it.
Sorry to tell you 4qsr You will be jobless as the company cannot survive with the droves of abusive arrogant inexperienced “Children” thinking they are owed something. People don’t have to share their hard earned knowledge and experience with you. Your attitude ensures that they won’t.
This comment below on mentoring younger workers is so true.
I volunteered for the mentoring program. I got this young guy that seemed pi---d Ford was making him see a mentor. After the initial meeting he went dark. Never returned any of my emails. At the behest of the mentorship leaders I contacted his supervisor. The message back? "thanks but no thanks." What could the little sn-t have not liked about meeting me for one hour?
I worked with another young guy. He had come out of the FCG program on to our team. My boss asked me to mentor him, so I tried. Spoiled brat's attitude was "I'm better than you, old man!"
The entitlement, conceit, and arrogance from the Millennials was off the chart.
@4ued+1mYMseP3. Oh please. You and most of the complainers about returning to the office are semi retired, working at home on your little task, and hoping for a severance package. When you are gone no one will care, other than to blame you for any issues. It is the Ford way. Anybody who has been with Ford knows this.
This is the new "we ain't woke", I hate everything that is different than I am, and entitled work force that makes up a surprising amount of Ford now.
Yes, they will RTO - just exactly when and how often daddy Ford tells them to. Or they'll lose their job.
Seriously what a bunch of grown crybabies. It is two days a week. Get over yourselves.
Who collaborates….stop with this urban myth bs from Steve Jobs apple with bumping into people in the office and coming up with new ideas or products. When I hire the guy to cut my grass he cuts my grass and I pay him and he leaves. A job is just another transaction!!!!!!!!get the f-ing job done get paid go home
4jsi Why would one bother mentoring an ungrateful disrespectful entitled sn-t ? It is much more entertaining to watch the snots flounder and fail. That is why only the humble, respectful, grateful people are mentored. The others can pound sand, not putting in casual OT to help out snots.
Do you really think Ford cares if the "best people" leave? They want to reduce numbers. They want to use lcc. How many top achievers and tech specialists were let go? Irreplaceable people have been leaving for decades. People retire, people quit, get let go, sometimes they suddenly become ill. Someone else needs to take over. If you are a senior employee, mentoring people is your job.
Bah. While some people work with the same people every day, a lot of us have to work with multiple teams spanning multiple locations and time zones. The people we interact with changes. No matter where you are (office/home) you are sitting in front of your laptop camera in meetings.
In the office you have to fight to get access to one of the conference rooms or disturb everyone around you in the insane open office (thank you professor moonbeam for that).
The RTO for “collaboration” is a joke as everyone on the team whom you might have a 5 minute chat with are choosing different days to be in the office, and once in the office there is no co-location of team members.
One thing has changed for sure, people have ceased being accommodating to other time zones once forced RTO - back to rigid 8 hour day - put that in your pipe and smoke it Marion.
Let’s be real.
They want the attrition that RTO will cause as that is fewer people to layoff as they ship 85% of the jobs to India and Mexico.
However, what the “leadership” can’t seem to understand is they will once again lose the best employees because they have options. Then they will once again attempt to go on a hiring spree but find the well is dry. The labor market is very tight and well Ford simply isn’t an attractive employer and Detroit is simply not an attractive location.
All the collaboration BS is just fabricated stats.
And none of the promised office transformations have occurred. FMCC is still a dump. WTF have they been doing for the past 3 years? They should of been transformed by now if they really wanted people back in the office.
@1gya my guess is basement guy has your measure and won’t waste his time on you, and that really chaps your behind.
It is the case at Ford that the highly skilled and talented help each other and let the mouth breathers play their little Ford games. Talent recognizes talent.
As a relatively new employee, there is benefit to learning from experienced coworkers in person. Some personalities are more difficult to deal with than others, but I work it out. Basement guy does have some good knowledge to impart, but he is a bit creepy, so I prefer to only meet him in a crowded office. His basement lair - no way.
@1bld+1mYMseP3. My thinking cap is on. I am fully aware of the distractions in an office environment. I am also fully aware that your basement is not a Ford office. Perhaps some motivated individuals would rather go into the office than go to your basement. But to be part of your FnF and get your mentorship, they have to come to your house. Are you in a position to determine who is on a team, who gets mentored, and where? Since you mentioned a clueless LL6, you obviously aren't. You are a HR lawsuit waiting to happen. You should start your own company, since you have no interest in being a corporate employee.
Put your thinking cap on @1gif+1mYMseP3. In the call center office environment 3 people chatting and talking all day long in learning mode will disturb everyone around them. AND there are inadequate collaboration space (conference rooms).
Are you one of the FnF who sits around listening to others conversations and then runs to the LL6/LL5 claiming you had some great idea and repeat everything you just heard? Those are the only people who NEED to be in the office as well quite frankly they have nothing to contribute.
Only contributors or people who genuinely want to learn and contribute are allowed in my basement, FnF are not contributors, they are a drain of company resources.
Take a look at the other thread about Elon Musk insulting home office workers and praising assembly plant workers. Most of that thread has plant workers rallying for RTO. Do you think site-dependant workers resent the remote workers?
@1vli+1mYMseP3. Now you are being silly. So you mentor a couple employees in your home office. Why not just go into the office? You complain about the FnF plan, but you are creating your own FnF plan.
@wku+1mYMseP3 There is collaboration and then there is Follaboration, the art of spreading credit for one or two employees work to 30 Ford team members. Follaboration is most effectively done in the office.
Collaboration between motivated individuals who aren’t of the back stabbing variety can be done remotely.
Now training and mentoring of wet behind the ears staff could benefit from in face once a week or so training. However, those who need mentoring often do not have the maturity to realize what they do not know. Well functioning teams have solved the mentorship issue. Two days a week my basement becomes aux office for two youngsters. The clueless LL6 isn’t even aware. But everyone knows he is absolutely useless FnF appointee
Ford Credit could be mandating RTO in June purely as a tactic to force employees to come in to receive FMCC termination packages in person rather than do that mass firing remotely?
You can say no, in the unemployment line!
RTO is coming. Then you get to make a choice.
he he he . . . I'mmmm Baaaack ! 'JSN2RTO' is my Business, and Business is GOOD !
"Just say NO to RTO ! Just say NO to RTO !!"
- famous/infamous 'JSN2RTO' guy,
who if could not laugh at this sh!t,
would surly cry ! :)
If collaboration is not of any benefit, your job may as well be replaced by a lcc team.
@zte+1mYMseP3
We get the sarcasm......
So show us in the overwhelming data how our lcc team members paticipate in rto to collaborate in Michigan
I am positive Doug Field will make the right call on this topic. I don't need to say it but I will, there is overwhelming data and studies that RTO is a net positive to company operations over WFH in all divisions of any company. Why dispute that?
I wonder if Doug Field is going to say the same tomorrow?
When are they knocking down the moldy FMCC? Don’t drink the water.
All of the FMCC people I've spoken to have said they are required to go in 2 days a week (they get to choose which days).