@2hwt+156ovpXP Nailed it. Took my 18 months to find the perfect job and left last year, during a hot job market. Idk how others will find an equal or better position once they are laid off during a depression. Hope you packages are good!
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@udw that’s xerox proper in a nutshell since the 90s til now. 5-6 people doing All the work and 34 useless id–ts who wait for you to do it for them or give me the stare as if to say oh I don’t know how to do that or that’s not my job. When the HCL thing first popped up 3 summers ago I begged my manager while we were doing the planning to let go of 50% of our workforce because they were just sitting around not wanting to change and collecting a paycheck. Refused to do it to keep her/his empire big. Telling. It’s rampant around xerox.
I stayed too long because my parents built a very nice life there, put 2 kids thru college and paid for 2 weddings. We never went hungry and we always had what we needed (though not always what we wanted). up until 2 years ago I thought I had to do my very best to keep that legacy going. I was one of those that worked hard every day. The one that did my part And tried to change things. But I realized I couldn’t save the company when people around me, for the 21 yrs I was there, were head down doing the absolute minimum to get by until their ‘big payday’ (ha try a swift kick in the read end). so it took all the strength I could muster and I went out and started interviewing. In 18 months I hed a new job. I am heartbroken for those that are still
There fighting a good fight. It’s fruitless and wasted effort. Printers are not going to save you. Neither are the useless ventilators and hand sanitizers.
Agree fundamentally but you're painting with a wide brush. I think a lot of honest amazing people put in tremendous years of effort and felt, against all signs contrary. they'd be treated fairly or at least it would matter? Maybe it was harder for some to walk away due their perceived lack of worth via years in a culture that continuously (in)directly minimized their worth.
Covid is giving proximity to look at this horrendous company and evaluate the blessings of a possible future without it.
Last September when I was on my last two weeks of notice of finally leaving this sh–hole I was basically annoying everyone of my colleagues who was talented enough to find new work but just hadn’t left yet to get on it and leave during a very hot job market - it really puzzled me as to why they were not actively looking to leave. The answers i got back were plain complacency and laziness such as “waiting for my package” but when I probed them on questions such as when was last time they had an external interview I would get answers like “ 20 years ago”. Other excuses I got were “like working from home”. “Lots of vacation”. Well guess what?? What good will all that do u when u get your pink slip and now u have to start all over during a depression? I’m sorry but it’s hard to feel sorry for some of these folks - the writing was on the wall - and yes some of u had no choice to stay but I certainly do not feel bad for those who had the choice and chose to leave their future in the hands of Carl Icahn and John V.
@1okk, I am extremely bright because I could not pass up a $15,000 bonus to stay and yes it was paid to me, I was all set to leave after payout but then the world turbed upside now, but now, it's just a paycheck until the economy turns around
Yes and that early 2000's HCL deal went so well that the new regime just had to do it again in spades.
People were being moved to HCL long before Carl was involved with Xerox
The lesson learned is that if you stuck around when Carl Icahn took over and started moving everyone to HCL you're not very bright.
I can definitively relate to the post somewhere below mine about staying at Xerox because I had so much earned vacation.
What the past 24 months have opened my eyes to is that I spent most of the time during that extra vacation dreading going back to a job for an organization that changed its core goals every year, allowed slacker employees to kick back and do nothing while a small group did all the work, and reported to an EC member who never should have been in a decision making role.
It's on me and I take full responsibility for not trying to leave before now. But Corona has allowed me to slow down just enough to realize that this job is draining the very life out of me and I want to experience that "job" everyone else that has left talks about. One where you're excited to go in every day because you work with people that are happy to be there, pulling their own weight, and there's not some major corporate crisis that comes along every 12 to 18 months to distract everyone.
@pvy+156ovpXP HR is worse than useless. The leadership is corrupt.
Damn I am way too good for this company, should have left years ago but too lazy to look and vacation time good but with being badged to HCL made me hate Xerox SO much and also made me realize how much I know and am capable of, they destroyed alot of good cores and people who were willing to bust their a–, all because of incompetence and greed!!!
Lesson learned:. It's on me and its complicated but bottom line, I should have bailed years ago.
Our core was overstaffed, useless HR, too many admin positions. Daily you can see those who bust their a– wearing multiple hats and then those who bs all day long, give minimal effort. We have execs unwilling to make changes for personal reasons, but now no excuses, time is now to takeout the trash. Keep those who care and give best efforts daily, reward them.
Xerox will be a case study, in twenty years, of how easy it is to k–l a great company. Offshoring key resources, not rewarding employees, blindly rewarding short term cost savings that have disastrous long term consequences, etc. I'm am soooooo leaving this sinking rotten ship!
Management can’t be trusted , HR useless.